F1 2015 - Teams and Drivers - Who goes where?!

smr said:
And then youve got button who is infinitely fitter than nigel was at 39 and with easier cars to drive. Yet hes got 1 year left in him according to the whole world.

Riiiiiiight.
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Fangio won a title at 46, while Schumacher had won 7 by the time he was only 35.

Your point makes little sense without context. Button is the 2nd oldest driver in F1.
 
It does crack me up when in one breath people say Jenson is too old and past it, and in the next quite happily talk about Alonso, a mere year younger, carrying on for three or five years. Kimi is older than both of them!
 
The_Abyss said:
It does crack me up when in one breath people say Jenson is too old and past it, and in the next quite happily talk about Alonso, a mere year younger, carrying on for three or five years. Kimi is older than both of them!
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Because their situations are different. At their current ages no one expects Alonso or Button to improve, the difference is Alonso is one of the best two drivers on the grid, Button is not. Alonso has options, Button doesn't. Alonso wants "I can win the championship" money and can deliver. Button will want big money as well but he's not that good a driver. He got championship winning money to go to Mclaren, no one else will offer him remotely close to the same money again in his last few years in F1.

As we can see, Alonso moving and there is interest, Button probably moving on and no one is talking about snapping him up.

When you get to a certain age either you are one of the very best drivers around and there is still interest, or teams are not able to afford.

There isn't anything fundamentally stopping Button driving till he's 50, the issue is no one will be willing to give him a drive and Button is likely to be unwilling to pay for a drive or drop down to a Sauber/Caterham/Marussia level drive.

Being one of the best drivers keeps options open, when you're not and you're on big wages and at a bigger team, when pushed out, who will be interested at this stage? Even ignoring current drivers in the top teams, would RBR, Ferrari, Merc, Williams or Mclaren(if he were elsewhere) want to buy an ageing driver who isn't bad at all but neither is he great. He's not going to make the difference in winning a title. Mclaren are going to pay big for Alonso precisely because he might make the difference where Button won't.
 
McLaren's Kevin Magnussen is Denmark's biggest sports star


I can't understand how anybody could suggest that he is rising star.
This guy has been comprehensively beaten by his aging team-mate.

Driving with Alonso in 2015, could spell the end of his F1 career, just like what Hamilton did to Heikki - basically he beat him so badly, his reputation was in tatters. Perhaps he should get advice from his dad. If he takes a severe beating in 2015, he is likely to lose confidence in his own ability.

In any case, K.Magnusson (KM) should count himself lucky if he gets to stay in F1 next year.
 
The_Abyss said:
It does crack me up when in one breath people say Jenson is too old and past it, and in the next quite happily talk about Alonso, a mere year younger, carrying on for three or five years. Kimi is older than both of them!
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Dude, Alonso is the best F1 driver on the planet. Button isn't. Ability supersedes age.

In 2012, McLaren gave Button (and Hamilton) the fastest car on the track. Button finished 5th, behind Kimi and Alonso (both slower cars).

Honda are looking to make a significant investment and have told McLaren that they want the absolute best staff in place. No more faffing around.

IMO, Button is one of the best No.2 drivers I've ever seen - not fast enough to take points off of Alonso - but very reliable - makes no mistakes and will always bring the car home in the points. He is diplomatic and doesnt cause problems in the team and always gets along with his team-mate.

Personally, I'd give Button an ultimatum - either he willingly plays 2nd fiddle to Alonso (contractually, in writing) or he leaves. Let him decide.

Magnussion should absolutely be fired. He is terrible.
On this forum Massa is getting a lot of flack - why is Magnusson escaping the vitriol?
 
sunama said:
In 2012, McLaren gave Button (and Hamilton) the fastest car on the track. Button finished 5th, behind Kimi and Alonso (both slower cars).
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and only 2 points behind Hamilton.... with the same car and we all know how the current season is panning out for him with a good car :rolleyes:

Yes there were extra retirements but it's the same for Hamilton this year with the best car on the grid and I'm starting to get the view that maybe Hamilton's driving style (he does like more 'slide' in the rear of his car) puts more strain on the car parts than say Rosberg/Button hence it breaking down more.
 
If mclaren let button go then why wouldnt williams go for button? Surely they could strike a deal which would keep williams and button happy and i cant think of a single reason button wouldnt be chosen over massa. Also a decent car now which may be even stronger next year... and what a story that would be to go back to the team he he drove for at the start of his career.
 
I feel that any comparisons between drivers from previous decades is irrelevant.

For example, 20 years ago, Mansell, Prost & Senna raced in a era when piloting cars required a different level of fitness, e.g. brute force. Nowadays, its completely different. The cars are faster & yet less demanding physically, however, are more demanding mentally.

The driver age has dropped dramatically, partly due to younger generations brought up on technology from the outset, F1 teams have simulators...
 
The_Abyss said:
It does crack me up when in one breath people say Jenson is too old and past it, and in the next quite happily talk about Alonso, a mere year younger, carrying on for three or five years. Kimi is older than both of them!
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This. Many times this! A year between them and one is too old and one is the best driver in the field? Don't forget that Jenson is the more recent World Champion as well?! And you can say 'It was the car' all you want, but Jenson won it and Vettel was second. If 'it was the car' where the hell was Rubens? Oh yeah, 18 points behind. Back then it points were awarded on a 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 basis and Jenson won 6 races to Rubens 2. It wasn't JUST the car.
 
MissChief said:
This. Many times this! A year between them and one is too old and one is the best driver in the field? Don't forget that Jenson is the more recent World Champion as well?! And you can say 'It was the car' all you want, but Jenson won it and Vettel was second. If 'it was the car' where the hell was Rubens? Oh yeah, 18 points behind. Back then it points were awarded on a 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 basis and Jenson won 6 races to Rubens 2. It wasn't JUST the car.
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I happily concede that Button is, and was, better than ageing has-been Rubens Barrichello.

Of course, if I was being petty I'd point out that Button won all his races in the first half of the season when the Brawn was just absurdly better than the other cars whilst Rubens won his in the second half when the other cars had caught up a bit.
 
Mr Jack said:
Of course, if I was being petty I'd point out that Button won all his races in the first half of the season when the Brawn was just absurdly better than the other cars whilst Rubens won his in the second half when the other cars had caught up a bit.
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which could easily be countered by Brawns limited budget restricting upgrades to the minimum required etc. Brawn wasn't exactly rolling in money were they and you don't need to win every race to win a championship, it's a total point thing :o
 
Didn't button have a very good relationship with honda back in the day? I can only assume that its going to be some of the 'old team' that are involved with the re-entry to F1 and as such perhaps there is a chance of him staying in Mclaren as a known entity?
 
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