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Or more to it. But hey lets all laugh at it
https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/formula-1-ferrari-dropped-mattiacci-084910769--f1.html
F1 2015 - Teams and Drivers - Who goes where?!
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Or more to it. But hey lets all laugh at it
https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/formula-1-ferrari-dropped-mattiacci-084910769--f1.html
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JEV just announced he's not going to be driving for Torro Rosso next year. Hardly surprising. Hopefully he at least gets the Williams test driver role as was mentioned by Ted in the notebook.
Shame really, deserves to be on the grid imo.
Yeah I would go out on a limb and I actually think he a worse driver than when he last won the title. Everyone in recent years has made mistakes, plenty of them going for their first title win but his errors this year in a car that was the absolute class of the field, well I don't think he would have made that many mistakes in a car that good in 2007 or 2008. I think he's past his peak, time will tell if that's true.
Put it this way Vettel got absolutely slated for driving the best car. When he put in peerless performances in qfy and to the flag it was because the car was the class of the field. That he didn't need to push so wasn't going to make mistakes. Yet Hamilton has had a better car and has not been as consistent as Vettel. Wheel to wheel I don't think many can touch him but I don't believe he has the out right pace and consistency he used to have. Not that is will matter if the car stays that good. Rosberg you can forgive, he's never been in this position before or had the pressure of a championship.
Nah ocuk knows his set ups better than most.
Or more to it. But hey lets all laugh at it
https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/formula-1-ferrari-dropped-mattiacci-084910769--f1.html
Arrivabene is a better politician.
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That is a shame, he was fairly close to Ricciardo who is now seemingly going along great guns so it seems a shame if he doesn't get a chance somewhere else... There just isn't a lot of room at teams at the moment!
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Yeah I would go out on a limb and I actually think he a worse driver than when he last won the title. Everyone in recent years has made mistakes, plenty of them going for their first title win but his errors this year in a car that was the absolute class of the field, well I don't think he would have made that many mistakes in a car that good in 2007 or 2008. I think he's past his peak, time will tell if that's true.
Put it this way Vettel got absolutely slated for driving the best car. When he put in peerless performances in qfy and to the flag it was because the car was the class of the field. That he didn't need to push so wasn't going to make mistakes. Yet Hamilton has had a better car and has not been as consistent as Vettel. Wheel to wheel I don't think many can touch him but I don't believe he has the out right pace and consistency he used to have. Not that is will matter if the car stays that good. Rosberg you can forgive, he's never been in this position before or had the pressure of a championship.
Nah ocuk knows his set ups better than most.
It's a good point, although having a team mate that pushes you to limit will most likely lead to more mistakes (it wasn't like Rosberg didn't make any either).
I imagine that if Hamilton had had a team mate who didn't really challenge him (ie like Vettel with Webber) this year would've gone more smoothly and he'd be less error prone. But I agree that he is prone to mistakes due to his nature of being on the limit/pushing too hard.
Nothing wrong with Flavio.
He identified both Alonso and MSc as future World Champions.
These were arguably the 2 greatest drivers over the last 20 years. That's an insane track record.
When it comes to F1, he is very highly regarded.
Of course, if he was a lawyer he would have no credibility. But as an F1 boss, he is one of the best.
Put it this way. McLaren are grey. They are corporate. Run by drones. Their voices/accents are virtually identical. The men could be replaced by robots and nobody would know. They require their employees to adopt this grey style. They struggle to think outside the box and work strictly within the rules.
Flavio is colourful. He thinks outside the box and likes his employees to do the same.
I'm not saying that one style is better than the other, just different styles. Both styles have a proven to win.
To say that Flavio has no credibility in F1 is something that a McLaren employee would say. I'd say that Whitmarsh has no credibility. But then I value winners more than 'by-the-book' drones.
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Yeah i don't really get all the Flavio hate.
I'd rather him as an F1 boss than Ron Dennis or Whitmarsh
I'd rather him as an F1 boss than Ron Dennis or Whitmarsh
Caporegime
I don't understand why JeV has been overlooked not once but twice by Red Bull. He beat Ricciardo in 2012 and trounced Kyvat this season.
Caporegime
He instructed one of his drivers to crash so another of his drivers could scrape a race win.
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Whilst I agree with this, I wouldn't say he trounced Kyvat, 22 vs 8 points means that one lucky race is essentially enough to make a big points gap.
However, I think Kyvat showed great one-lap pace and ultimately has a great deal of natural speed and talent. I do think it's a shame that Vergne didn't get a chance in the top team given that he had pretty good showings against Ricciardo. Maybe RB and TR know something that we don't about his performance?
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Well if we look at points, sure, but points do not show what a driver is capable. Put it this way if a one driver smashes the other in qualifying and finishes ahead of him in 18 races to 1, but that single race the other guy did well in was the only race in which the car was capable of finishing in the points you would end up with a crazy points difference but no reflection of that.
For reference
http://grandprixrankings.com/compare/2012-f1/ricciardo-versus-vergne/
Ricciardo out qualified Vergne 15 to 5, he finished ahead in races 8 to 7. It's not full proof to exclude results when either driver has had a DNF, some are caused by reliability(some of which can be driver fault also, pushing too hard, not watching temps) and some are caused by being hit by others or causing a collision.
http://grandprixrankings.com/compare/2013-f1/ricciardo-versus-vergne/
What about 2013, well Ricciardo outqualified Vergne 15 to 4, finished ahead in more races(the car was less reliable so less comparisons and I wouldn't read loads in to it). Ricciardo ended up with more points.
Across both seasons Ricciardo beat him in every category, less DNF's, thrashed in qualy, most points overall, finished ahead more often. RBR chose quite clearly the better driver.
http://grandprixrankings.com/compare/2014-f1/vergne-versus-kvyat/
Kyvat in his rookie season at a very young age out qualified Vergne and in race it was only 6 to 5. Again as with Ricciardo you can see something about him when he races. He made passes on top drivers, was aggressive without being out of control(mostly).
Kyvat for me looked to be the better driver, just less experienced. Vergne at this stage has also been in the car far longer and is far more used to the team, his engineers and the car itself. I suspect that had it been Kvyat against Vergne for another year he'd have done better and beaten Vergne much like Ricciardo did.
Ricciardo spanked him pretty bad and Kvyat showed his potential by basically matching him, Vergne has shown almost nothing by this stage. Decent driver, sure, not a great driver and absolutely no signs of it either.
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It's never been proven. In fact he always denied his involvement. Also his ban imposed by the FIA was over turned in real court.
So it's still all a bit ambiguous
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Yes it was. The court didn't overturn the ruling, they overturned his life ban from FIA motorsport. He remains a cheating scumbag.
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So the FIA gave him a lifetime ban for what exactly? Drinking an unapproved champagne brand while in the paddock?
No. It was being a cheating scumbag after Piquet dobbed him in.
From an FIA press release :
"The FIA condemns the selective leaking of extracts from Mr Briatore’s pleadings to the Tribunal de Grande Instance in Paris.
The FIA rejects the allegations made in these leaks and confirms that the decision to impose a sanction against Mr Briatore was made by an overwhelming majority of the attending World Motor Sport Council members."
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GP3 champion Alex Lynn eyes 2015 F1 reserve role after Lotus test
Apparently Red Bull had offered him V8 Supercars.
This seems to be more proof that it's likely to be Sainz Jr with Verstappen next year at TR.
Apparently Red Bull had offered him V8 Supercars.
This seems to be more proof that it's likely to be Sainz Jr with Verstappen next year at TR.
I'm sure the only thought in these guys heads is F1, and the hope that if they hang around that environment long enough they may get a chance further down the line.
If I was in that position I would still try and keep my hand in other series though, even if that means appearing as one-off's if permitted.
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