F1 Testing 2010

sunama said:
Yes. Of course.

Though it would make more logical sense to test across all fuel loads and set ups (time allowing). It would be folly to use computer simulations to predict how a car will behave on a low fuel setup.
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Can i just make this clear once and for all

Teams do sandbag, tell drivers what to say at press conferences and try to hide true performance from everyone else.
 
SKILL said:
I really don't think McLaren have tried any low fuel laps yet this test, they weren't a million miles away from Ferrari at the first test, and then the quickest car each week for the 2 tests in Jerez, and now they're 1.5 seconds off the pace? Somehow I doubt that...

Who knows though, I could be completely wrong, but we'll find out by the end of sunday :)
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Easier to know when they have full tanks:

Alonso at the start of his race sim:

65 1:26.909
66 1:26.753 -0.156
67 1:26.482 -0.271
68 1:26.656 +0.174
69 1:26.385 -0.271
70 1:26.789 +0.404
71 1:26.759 -0.03
72 1:26.569 -0.19
73 1:26.715 +0.146
74 1:26.642 -0.073
75 1:26.941 +0.299
76 1:26.669 -0.272
77 1:26.484 -0.185
78 ----

Hamilton:

50 1:28.827
51 1:28.464 -0.363
52 1:27.888 -0.576
53 1:27.767 -0.121
54 1:27.507 -0.26
55 1:27.595 +0.088
56 1:29.642 +2.047
57 1:29.706 +0.064
58 1:27.412 -2.294
59 1:27.453 +0.041
60 1:27.408 -0.045
61 1:27.040 -0.368

Given that we know that Alonso's times were done on a full tank then we know that hamilton has either the same fuel or LESS. Not one of hamilton's laps are as fast as Alonso's lowest lap!
 
Ezee84 said:
LOL Are you still going on about this?. It was explained earlier in the thread why teams would sandbag to start with.
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CS||nuTs said:
Teams do sandbag, tell drivers what to say at press conferences and try to hide true performance from everyone else.
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All those in favour of using "sunama" as a synonym for "slow" vote now :p
 
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There is absolutely no point in comparing. The aero on the cars in testing will more than likely not be the same come the first race and so won't be a true representation for the test tracks. I assume they use data and experience from the previous year to develop or tweak aero packages for each race and we don't know what they are running and if its apt for the test track.

Testing is not about trying to be the fastest really, although a few speed runs need to be done and times taken to get a general idea there's absolutely no point reading into it. I'm more interested in the reliability and the drivers response as they know what the real procedure is.

I'm just looking forward to the racing. Having the fastest package doesn't always mean you can drive *cough*Kovalainen*cough*, but it does help.
 
Testing is always a bit of a dark mirror, but it's not meaningless either.

I'm pretty sure we'll see Red Bull showing the best pace across the first three races; with Ferrari and Sauber are pretty damn close behind. McLaren look to be fast, but not at the ultimate pace under most conditions.

As for the rest? Well, Mercedes won't be repeating Brawn's mastery of the first half of the season. Williams look to have made a car capable of racing for the first time in several seasons and the ol' back runners will enjoy having new teams to beat.
 
Mr Jack said:
Testing is always a bit of a dark mirror, but it's not meaningless either.

I'm pretty sure we'll see Red Bull showing the best pace across the first three races; with Ferrari and Sauber are pretty damn close behind. McLaren look to be fast, but not at the ultimate pace under most conditions.

As for the rest? Well, Mercedes won't be repeating Brawn's mastery of the first half of the season. Williams look to have made a car capable of racing for the first time in several seasons and the ol' back runners will enjoy having new teams to beat.
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im pretty sure most teams have said they still dont have the aero package they are using at the first race yet.

some teams still havent done qualifying laps yet either in yesterdays test some teams were still doing 15lap runs and you dont know what fuel load they had
 
http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2010/02/27/mclaren-developments-snorkel-rumour/

This sounds positively awesome. McLaren can swear blind that its just for driver cooling.

One rumour around the internet suggests the inlet is linked by a duct to the shark fin\blown rear wing. At first appearing to be simply a wild rumour, that the snorkel is blocked by the drivers knee to alter the rear wing airflow. However the presence of the airflow sensor along with the rear wing test rig, suggests there might be a link after all. The rumours suggest the drivers left braking leg, which sits unused on long straights could be used to alter the flow from the snorkel to the rear wing duct, where a valve alters flow through the blown slot to stall the rear wing. This would reduce downforce and also drag, which would allow a higher top speed. Then the driver moves his leg to start to brake for the next turn the valve switches airflow back to normal, the wings airflow reattaches and provides the downforce needed for the turns. This sounds both feasible and far-fetched at the same time.
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[TW]Taggart;16050148 said:
thats some epic tinfoil hattery there..... would be genius if true.
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Well now that the concept has been thought of, surely some teams out there might investigate whether or not this would be feasible to develop.
 
Wouldn't it be simpler to just link the valve to the speed of the car with a sensor? Or maybe that falls under a rule of a movable aerodynamic aid if it's automatically triggered. Or just give the driver a button to hold when they want it on. Linking it to where they have their leg seems a little over engineered to me.
 
If the device is activated depending on the position of the driver's leg, it is one less thing for the driver to think about and its activation is virtually automatic. If you activate the device using a button, it is an additional thing which the driver has to worry about.

I wouldn't say that having an "automated" device is over engineered.
 
Kevin Clark said:
Wouldn't it be simpler to just link the valve to the speed of the car with a sensor? Or maybe that falls under a rule of a movable aerodynamic aid if it's automatically triggered. Or just give the driver a button to hold when they want it on. Linking it to where they have their leg seems a little over engineered to me.
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The whole grey area is entirely dependant on the driver just happening to "rest" his leg in a certain place.

Any form of buttons, switches or automated software which can alter the aero of the car are definately illegal. Apart from the front flap of course.
 
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