Fallout 4 to feature Nvidia Gameworks

JediFragger · 25 Oct 2015 at 17:11

Dicehunter said:
but even when there's no smoke around like in the scene I posted above the frames plummet.

That's just crazy!!

Howling · 25 Oct 2015 at 17:13

Dicehunter said:
When you fire your pistol or go near a camp fire the smoke looks really good but even when there's no smoke around like in the scene I posted above the frames plummet.

Nah. nVidia stuff never hurts performance for no visual benefit. That doesn't sound right at all! :rolleyes:

etched Chaos · 25 Oct 2015 at 17:23

Not sure studios have much choice if the powers that be decide the game must have Gameworks regardless, as is likely the case with all Ubisoft games.

fs123 · 25 Oct 2015 at 17:28

Howling said:
Nah. nVidia stuff never hurts performance for no visual benefit. That doesn't sound right at all!

It'll be the hairworks on the crabs and the feathers in the hat.

r7slayer · 25 Oct 2015 at 17:31

etched Chaos said:
Not sure studios have much choice if the powers that be decide the game must have Gameworks regardless, as is likely the case with all Ubisoft games.

Nope, no game studio needs gameworks at all. It's just lazy developers who feel it would be much easier to license gameworks effects and use them in game rather the develop their own effects them selfs.

I mean i don't think its a bad idea, and would love gameworks to progress to something much bigger and to have hardly no performance impact while adding great eye candy effects. This would be great for gamers and game developers but the fact is from what most gamers experience this is not the case. Gamewors adds either some minor graphical effects or some decent effect but at some great performance costs. Also a lot of the time the games are usually unoptimised and buggy. This is why you see people hate on gameworks regardless of the powers that decide lol.

opethdisciple · 25 Oct 2015 at 17:34

r7slayer said:
Nope, no game studio needs gameworks at all. It's just lazy developers who feel it would be much easier to license gameworks effects and use them in game rather the develop their own effects them selfs.

I mean i don't think its a bad idea, and would love gameworks to progress to something much bigger and to have hardly no performance impact while adding great eye candy effects. This would be great for gamers and game developers but the fact is from what most gamers experience this is not the case. Gamewors adds either some minor graphical effects or some decent effect but at some great performance costs. Also a lot of the time the games are usually unoptimised and buggy. This is why you see people hate on gameworks regardless of the powers that decide lol.

So what your saying is that every studio should rewrite the wheel for every game?

Using the same logic, I want to set up an email server. I could go and grab something that's already developed and tested in the community and get it up and running would be relatively quick. But nope, what I'm going to do is go and TRY and develop my own email protocols and then write from scratch my own bespoke mail server. :/

Howling · 25 Oct 2015 at 17:39

opethdisciple said:
So what your saying is that every studio should rewrite the wheel for every game?

Or write a better wheel that doesn't gimp games. Games have done smoke effects and ambient occlusion before nVidia tried to sell them, lol.

Ian Evey · 25 Oct 2015 at 17:50

The games not even out yet LOL, Let's see what happens before everyone hates on it.

humbug · 25 Oct 2015 at 17:52

Dicehunter said:
When you fire your pistol or go near a camp fire the smoke looks really good but even when there's no smoke around like in the scene I posted above the frames plummet.

Thats nuts.

ALXAndy · 25 Oct 2015 at 17:53

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/9...aphics-effects-here-s-why-you-should-care.htm

It's unclear if all the effects will be added to the game all in one go at launch or if they will be added in smaller increments rolled out via post-game patches.

thesmokingman · 25 Oct 2015 at 17:58

I won't put money on this game with GW in it. What were they thinking?

Dicehunter · 25 Oct 2015 at 18:02

humbug said:
Thats nuts.

That's Ubisoft for you, Poor implementation of Pysx smoke, It was literally tacked on 6 months after launch

thesmokingman said:
I won't put money on this game with GW in it. What were they thinking?

Why not ? If it can be turned off in the options menu like CDPR did with The Witcher 3 there isn't a problem for AMD owners or people on slightly older rigs

Don't forget, Money talks and as Nvidia have the majority share of the GPU market this is a business move.

DmitryD · 25 Oct 2015 at 18:04

Gamesworks is a bit tainted brand now, expect a rebranding exercise soon ...

It's too buggy even with recent NVIDIA hardware, and slows things down too much for no obvious gain (screenshots don't count - it's the main reason it's used though in games

).

pgi947 · 25 Oct 2015 at 18:05

humbug said:
Thats nuts.

To be fair though, go ask GFE what settings to use on that game, under no circumstances will it tell you to enable physx. Even Nvidia know ubisoft screwed it up.

thesmokingman · 25 Oct 2015 at 18:05

Dicehunter said:
Why not ? If it can be turned off in the options menu like CDPR did with The Witcher 3 there isn't a problem for AMD owners or people on slightly older rigs

Don't forget, Money talks and as Nvidia have the majority share of the GPU market this is a business move.

The only voice I have is where my money goes.

Dicehunter · 25 Oct 2015 at 18:10

thesmokingman said:
The only voice I have is where my money goes.

But if the Gameworks features can be turned off successfully and give back a lot of performance where is the harm ?

thesmokingman · 25 Oct 2015 at 18:11

Dicehunter said:
But if the Gameworks features can be turned off successfully and give back a lot of performance where is the harm ?

It never works out just like that. :rolleyes:

Dicehunter · 25 Oct 2015 at 18:11

thesmokingman said:
It never works out just like that.

Did with The Witcher 3

Worked great at 1440P with my Fury X with GW features turned off.

ICDP · 25 Oct 2015 at 18:11

Dicehunter said:
That's Ubisoft for you, Poor implementation of Pysx smoke, It was literally tacked on 6 months after launch

Why not ? If it can be turned off in the options menu like CDPR did with The Witcher 3 there isn't a problem for AMD owners or people on slightly older rigs

Don't forget, Money talks and as Nvidia have the majority share of the GPU market this is a business move.

Nvidia might have the overall share of the GPU market for sales, but not as much so for userbase. Remember not everone buys a GPU every generation. This constant "but sure turn it off then" is kind of insulting, you are essentially telling people with top end GPUs to just turn off all those fancy gameworks effects. There is not a single effect that cant be done vendor neutral that ends up using gimpedworks.

Even the gameworks effects in W3 had to be turned off for most Nvidia GPU users as it tanked FPS. It wasn't until 5+ months later that a slider for hairworks AA allowed even 980Ti users to enable the option.

r7slayer · 25 Oct 2015 at 18:38

opethdisciple said:
So what your saying is that every studio should rewrite the wheel for every game?

Using the same logic, I want to set up an email server. I could go and grab something that's already developed and tested in the community and get it up and running would be relatively quick. But nope, what I'm going to do is go and TRY and develop my own email protocols and then write from scratch my own bespoke mail server. :/

Poor analogy when gameworks is hardly a wheel. I could go and say gameworks is like using a a hexagon shaped wheel so hardly redesigned wheel and no game developers don't re make the wheel every time they make a game lmao. It's like saying they remake their game engines every time nooooo. Most developers use the same engine but tweak and redesign stuff. A email server is hardly challenging to setup compared to developing a game.