Farage

[Greebo]

I believe he already answered that incorrect statement following bob Geldofs idiotic boat down the Thames stunt:



Devil is in the detail. Who can change that proportion. It would not be Farage.



How many people voted in favor of that I wonder if it was allowed to happen



As with a lot in the EU... Does voting make a difference. If he was voting against say Spain and others who fish our waters he is outnumbered. The EU hate him and for good reason.

Im sorry, not turning up to vote because you already know what the result is going to be is pathetic. How can you expect to change anything like that? You have to start somewhere even if its just one vote against to begin with and try and put your view across and change other people's minds. Not voting is a cop out.

Yes, there may not have been any change to the 20% but the reforms and insistence that 20% went to local small fishermen would have been a improvement.

Plus it was the UK government that sold 3 of our biggest fishing quotas to massive foreign fishing fleets whereas other EU countries insisted that their fishing quota percentage could only be used by fishermen in their country.

So basically for his 300k per annum, he hasnt voted, asked 3 questions in parliament and basically made 42 speeches detailing how the EU is ruined and Britain is going to leave. No wonder they hate him.

 

[a1ex2001]

If he thinks its pointless, then he accepted a job that could well have made the difference in another persons hands, just for the sake of the pay-cheque. He is no different from what he paints other MEPs to be.

He is worse he doesn't attend, he doesn't vote and he is totally disengaged from the system whilst leading a party who's MEP's don't attend, don't vote and are totally disengaged from the system. We currently have 22 wasted seats at the EU because the occupiers choose not to take the role seriously while they all claim the full allowances and salary which is effectively funded by the UK tax payer through our EU contributions.

His performances on the floor are embarrassing, he is nothing more than a petulant child who's trade in cheap insults, populist nonsense and hate is pretty horrible to witness.

 

[RaohNS]

Im sorry, not turning up to vote because you already know what the result is going to be is pathetic. How can you expect to change anything like that? You have to start somewhere even if its just one vote against to begin with and try and put your view across and change other people's minds. Not voting is a cop out.

Yes, there may not have been any change to the 20% but the reforms and insistence that 20% went to local small fishermen would have been a improvement.

Plus it was the UK government that sold 3 of our biggest fishing quotas to massive foreign fishing fleets whereas other EU countries insisted that their fishing quota percentage could only be used by fishermen in their country.

So basically for his 300k per annum, he hasnt voted, asked 3 questions in parliament and basically made 42 speeches detailing how the EU is ruined and Britain is going to leave. No wonder they hate him.

Doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result is the height of stupidity.

Haters gonna hate. Think that really is all there is to this sect of our discussion

 

[Avenged7Fold]

He is worse he doesn't attend, he doesn't vote and he is totally disengaged from the system whilst leading a party who's MEP's don't attend, don't vote and are totally disengaged from the system. We currently have 22 wasted seats at the EU because the occupiers choose not to take the role seriously while they all claim the full allowances and salary which is effectively funded by the UK tax payer through our EU contributions.

His performances on the floor are embarrassing, he is nothing more than a petulant child who's trade in cheap insults, populist nonsense and hate is pretty horrible to witness.

Precisely why he is a waste of everything. I would rather the seats be occupied by a can of corned beef as its cheaper and less embarrassing.

 

[deuse]

I think N Farage is awesome and a great speaker.

 

[PapaLazaru]

I think N Farage is awesome and a great speaker.

Yeah we know that. Great soundbites, but no substance to the man. I understand why you revere him.

 

[provost]

His loyalties lie with the Kremlin, and you won't see the tanks until they have reached the Balkans....lol
That's just an opinion

 

[a1ex2001]

Yeah we know that. Great soundbites, but no substance to the man. I understand why you revere him.

Are his petty insults, hatred and mistrust really great sound bites?

 

[C.R.A.Z.Y]

Doing the only thing. Take it down from the inside. Without that platform he would be out on a limb.

Whilst excepting a nice rosy salary !
(Something the UKIP founder (Alan Sked) said UKIP MEP's shouldn't do as it reeks hypocrisy )

Sked's suggestion is that Ukip MEPs do little to no work in Strasbourg and Brussels but take as much public money as possible in the form of salaries and, especially, expenses.

"They do nothing in the European parliament and take the money. They're no better than these people on [Channel 4 documentary series] Benefits Street. Farage has become a millionaire from expenses." Farage, of course, told foreign journalists in 2009 that he'd taken £2 million of taxpayers' money in expenses and allowances as an MEP on top of his £64,000-a-year salary. "There's no reason to vote for Ukip," says Sked, "because if they believed in what they said they wouldn't be there."

Source = http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/26/ukip-founder-alan-sked-party-become-frankensteins-monster

 

[Greebo]

Doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result is the height of stupidity.

Haters gonna hate. Think that really is all there is to this sect of our discussion

So the whole house of commons and democracy is a total waste of time then?

Any time a government has a majority, the rest of the house of commons may as well not turn up and vote as it won't make any difference then?

Wow. Just went I thought this forum's comments couldn't get any worse.

 

[datalol-jack]

So the whole house of commons and democracy is a total waste of time then?

Any time a government has a majority, the rest of the house of commons may as well not turn up and vote as it won't make any difference then?

Wow. Just went I thought this forum's comments couldn't get any worse.

I bet he thinks ancient Greek direct democracy run atop a mountain of slave labour was great too.

Don't bother, in his book democracy means shouting louder than the other gang at a rally, and only works when it suits demagogues and political saboteurs (the 'people' in Farage's, Raoh's, et al book is a very exclusive term). You're wasting your time.

 

[Arthur Hucksake]

The thing is, Farage played a huge part in getting the UK out of the EU.

How can anyone deny that?

An MP who actually got the job done. Since when does that ever happen?

Still don't like toadboy, but I cannot dispute the end product.

 

[RaohNS]

I take it you don't know how voting works in the HoC.

Allow me to explain simply: You either vote in favor of a government motion or you vote for the opposition amendment(s).

Now if the vote was:
To agree on a suitable length of carrots to be sold in supermarkets... I wouldn't turn up to that

If the vote was on the state storing every text, phone call email and internet logs of every single individual and given away to the Americans I would go and vote.

We know the HoC doesn't have all members show up, there are select committees, councils, symposiums etc where attendance is far less. In those it may be tactically sensible to "show up and vote". It will make a difference or could.

There is of course a reason as to why governments need a majority and its precisely so they can defeat other parties to ensure their legislature passes.

Voting in the EU is different because of that undemocratic bunch called the European Commissioners

 

[Conscript]

Rubbish.

I don't know. The idea of a sword in close proximity to his neck sounds mighty appealing.

 

[RaohNS]

I bet he thinks ancient Greek direct democracy run atop a mountain of slave labour was great too.

Don't bother, in his book democracy means shouting louder than the other gang at a rally, and only works when it suits demagogues and political saboteurs (the 'people' in Farage's, Raoh's, et al book is a very exclusive term). You're wasting your time.

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No it doesn't mean that in my book despite what remainers think and then go and do

Shouldn't you be signing your dodgey petition still? You've got another 13million votes to add

 

[Borsch]

all of this animosity has arisen because the losing side of a certain referendum last week is throwing the baby out with the bathwater because they had and continue to have a tantrum.

No, if the pound shot up rather than down, if UK stock markets became 100Billion richer than poorer, if credit rating remained the same etc etc there'd be no animosity.

What drives the animosity is the fact that one of the most developed and educated countries in the world has voted for nebulous concepts like "Making Britain Great again" and "Taking Control" against the judgement of vast majority of scientists in economics, social sciences, politics, law etc.

The fact that reality, knowledge and cold reason have been abandoned in favour of some religion-like meta-ideas is painful, that is for sure.

 

[RaohNS]

Whilst excepting a nice rosy salary !
(Something the UKIP founder (Alan Sked) said UKIP MEP's shouldn't do as it reeks hypocrisy )


Source = http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/26/ukip-founder-alan-sked-party-become-frankensteins-monster

This is news? Farage is a millionaire anyway.

 

[datalol-jack]

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No it doesn't mean that in my book despite what remainers think and then go and do

Shouldn't you be signing your dodgey petition still? You've got another 13million votes to add

I always thought signing a petition submitted by a Brexiteer was somewhat self-defeating, tbf. Haven't they dismissed it on account of /4/chan spam already?

 

[RaohNS]

I don't know. The idea of a sword in close proximity to his neck sounds mighty appealing.

Who's neck?

No, if the pound shot up rather than down, if UK stock markets became 100Billion richer than poorer, if credit rating remained the same etc etc there'd be no animosity.

What drives the animosity is the fact that one of the most developed and educated countries in the world has voted for nebulous concepts like "Making Britain Great again" and "Taking Control" against the judgement of vast majority of scientists in economics, social sciences, politics, law etc.

The fact that reality, facts and cold reason has been abandoned in favour of some religious-like meta-ideas is painful that is for sure.

Lets wait and see shall we

I always thought signing a petition submitted by a Brexiteer was somewhat self-defeating, tbf. Haven't they dismissed it on account of /4/chan spam already?

Well it apparently makes a difference. Put your name down as someone then list your origin country as Nauru.

 

[Arazi]

meh, its far to easy to hate on farage in our over hyped nanny state.

most of the time his views have always been logical.

hes always delivered humour.

hes always interviewed well.

hes always been charismatic and quite... ordinary?

more importantly, he has always said what he believes in. thats why he has the following he has and why he has gone from strength to strength recently.

there are many at the HOC (and EU parliament) who could take a leaf out of his book.

of courses hes played the idiot at times, but hell, he has injected a bit of life and fun into the pathetic state of our nations political ways.

This.

He spent 17 years arguing to get us to leave the EU, that's commitment, and he say's it as he see's it, there is no brown nose crap day in day out like we hear from every other politician, inc Tories, Labour, LD and the rest, and it sounds like a lot of certain voters on here fall for it all.

Not many politicians would spend 17 years fighting for one thing, probably not even 2 years.

Just look at all the utter BS since the result, every Labour and Tory politician is stabbing one and other in the back, starting from Cameron and his resignation to where we are now, but that's nothing new.

Fair play to him.