Farage

asim18 · 5 Jul 2016 at 21:51

dowie said:
you do realise he's an MEP and not in government... in getting us out of the EU he's making himself redundant eventually anyway

his goal was to get us out of the EU and he's succeeded, like him or not I'm not seeing the issue there - he has seemingly achieved what he intended to achieve from the start

What on earth has that got to do with anything I said?

The man's a **** because he has no care for what happens after brexit and wants nothing to do with it. So he's done something with absolutely no interest in the consequences/ramifications of it and you're saying everything's fine just because he achieved what he wanted to achieve?

Which in reality is he's split our country literally in half which is an exponentially worse consequential position than just barely getting us out of the EU by a couple percentage points.

asim18 · 5 Jul 2016 at 22:02

dowie said:
if he was a political careerist he'd be looking to stand as an MP again and carry on in politics - at the moment it looks like he's taking a step back from politics

Erm perhaps he's taking a step back because he doesn't actually have a ****ing clue how to step forward??

He's basically taken a huge steaming **** all over British and EU politics and now he's off. He doesn't actually have a clue or care about politics, he's confirmed it himself! He just wanted to scare people into a referendum and then scare people into voting leave.

dowie · 5 Jul 2016 at 22:07

asim18 said:
Erm perhaps he's taking a step back because he doesn't actually have a ****ing clue how to step forward??

He's done his political **** and now he's off.

You seem to be missing the point that he's an MEP and isn't in government. His aim was to get us out of the EU and he's achieved that. You're acting as though he's a Tory minister or was in with a chance of being in govt or making significant executive decisions relating to the referendum - he's not... he's an MEP who has been campaigning for his own redundancy since he took the job.

Gilly · 5 Jul 2016 at 22:12

RaohNS said:
Since labour became anti-labour.

People turned to them because the parliamentarians held them in total contempt and people are waking up to what has been happening.

The immigration problem has been there for some time. Its not going away either. Many seem to forget that working class or as I call them the working poor are still subject in many (possibly most cases) to the effects of the recession. As an example my total wage rise from 2010-2016 has been 4%. Its minus figures when inflation comes into it. These 2.2% and 3.1% wage rises o'er quarter is driven by the super and hyper rich. What was it directors salaries increased by over 30years? 180x? Vs a standard worker who by comparison might be lucky to have doubled or tripled?

What does you not getting a payrise you like have to do with immigration? :confused:

asim18 · 5 Jul 2016 at 22:14

dowie said:
You seem to be missing the point that he's an MEP and isn't in government. His aim was to get us out of the EU and he's achieved that. You're acting as though he's a Tory minister or was in with a chance of being in govt or making significant executive decisions relating to the referendum - he's not... he's an MEP who has been campaigning for his own redundancy since he took the job.

The "point" (lol) that he's not in government has got nothing to do with the fact he's left UKIP.

You telling me people should just leave their party just because they're not in government? Why didn't he just **** off 10 years ago then? Or why bother at all?

bayo000 · 5 Jul 2016 at 23:26

RaohNS said:
Since labour became anti-labour.

People turned to them because the parliamentarians held them in total contempt and people are waking up to what has been happening.

The immigration problem has been there for some time. Its not going away either. Many seem to forget that working class or as I call them the working poor are still subject in many (possibly most cases) to the effects of the recession. As an example my total wage rise from 2010-2016 has been 4%. Its minus figures when inflation comes into it. These 2.2% and 3.1% wage rises o'er quarter is driven by the super and hyper rich. What was it directors salaries increased by over 30years? 180x? Vs a standard worker who by comparison might be lucky to have doubled or tripled?

I'm sorry but how is you not getting payrise fault of any political party or immigration?

Caged · 5 Jul 2016 at 23:36

UKIP are not the party to protect the working class, they are a right-wing libertarian party. If people struggling to make ends meet think UKIP are the party that are going to best represent them then that's a triumph of Farage's media image and rhetoric, but it's not grounded in fact.

Jono8 · 5 Jul 2016 at 23:48

Mauller said:
Actually, Cameron went to Eton like many of his ministerial chums. Farage went to Dulwich college.

And jumping to conclusions much? i am talking about what labour used to be, it had a wide variety of people from different backgrounds. but now it is just filled with the middle classes etc.

I think probably what he meant is that he went to the same sort of school that Cameron gets derided for going to. Dulwich College is part of the Eton group.

dowie · 6 Jul 2016 at 03:17

asim18 said:
The "point" (lol) that he's not in government has got nothing to do with the fact he's left UKIP.

the point that he's not in government was in relation to your previous post where you seem to want him to be responsible for things he's not got much power over

You telling me people should just leave their party just because they're not in government? Why didn't he just **** off 10 years ago then? Or why bother at all?

No I'm telling you that your dubious expectations for him are rather flawed because he's not in government. this is pretty basic:

asim18 said:
What about what happened after he got Britain out of the EU, and how nice of him to admit his only goal was to get us out of the EU as opposed to actually making things better.

What happens re: Britian coming out of the EU is down to the current government comprised of ministers from the Conservative party not an MEP from a different, minority party.

UKIP's whole reason for existing in the first place was to get the UK out of the EU, the name of the party even alludes to this - this was Farage's aim and he's achieved it, I don't really see why you're getting so confused and worked up over that. Whether you like him or not he had a clear goal and he's now that goal has been achieved (mostly by people within the Tory party, but with some help from him.)

TJM · 6 Jul 2016 at 07:07

The UK is still in the EU. If/when we do leave, we will need access to the single market and that means freedom of movement and compliance with EU law. Was that Farage's aim?

Tunney · 6 Jul 2016 at 08:10

dowie said:
if he was a political careerist he'd be looking to stand as an MP again and carry on in politics - at the moment it looks like he's taking a step back from politics

He'll be back once someone else has dealt with the fallout of the referendum vote. I think he will launch a new party.

And he's also still an MEP and, I assume, will continue to be one for at least two years.

RaohNS · 6 Jul 2016 at 08:58

Gilly said:
What does you not getting a payrise you like have to do with immigration?

I was responding to the fact Labour is now no longer the party of working class/poor. They are in it for themselves.

Very little to do with immigration but you would be deluded to not realize there has been wage suppression since a rise in immigration. I could do anecdotes to match the reality but they are as much use in GD as actual evidence.

bayo000 said:
I'm sorry but how is you not getting payrise fault of any political party or immigration?

Political parties are there to ensure workers should get a fair deal. I agree with some legislation in some nations where the lowest paid employee cannot be less than X times the rate of the highest paid. The last man should always be able to see the first and the first should always be able to see the last.

Cosimo · 6 Jul 2016 at 09:02

Tunney said:
And he's also still an MEP and, I assume, will continue to be one for at least two years.

It's too much of a good earner to give up now.

Quartz · 6 Jul 2016 at 09:03

TJM said:
If/when we do leave, we will need access to the single market

Do we?

Six6siX · 6 Jul 2016 at 09:04

Quartz said:
Do we?

Yes.

bayo000 · 6 Jul 2016 at 09:24

RaohNS said:
Political parties are there to ensure workers should get a fair deal. I agree with some legislation in some nations where the lowest paid employee cannot be less than X times the rate of the highest paid. The last man should always be able to see the first and the first should always be able to see the last.

So basically a communism.

I on other hand think everyone should be able to earn based on merit. If you work hard and keep bettering yourself you shouldn't not be restricted by people who don't bother doing so.

deuse · 6 Jul 2016 at 09:30

TJM said:
The UK is still in the EU. If/when we do leave, we will need access to the single market and that means freedom of movement and compliance with EU law. Was that Farage's aim?

No freedom of movement. We don't really need the EU at all, but they need us.

TechMinerUK · 6 Jul 2016 at 09:37

deuse said:
No freedom of movement. We don't really need the EU at all, but they need us.

That's a bold claim that I'm sure many would disagree with.

deuse · 6 Jul 2016 at 09:41

TechMinerUK said:
That's a bold claim that I'm sure many would disagree with.

They just have to look at the true import\export figures.

Cosimo · 6 Jul 2016 at 09:43

deuse said:
They just have to look at the true import\export figures.

Are these your version of "true" figures?