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Im assuming the latter by what they said.
Probably because a 1/4 pack at full power would last 5 mins, so not a lot to test.
And secondly each cell has a max discharge rate and i doubt a 1/4 pack could actually provide the needed discharge for full power.

 

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Not that I've seen

 

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You wouldn't need to do anything to the motors, just reduce the power given to them.

I expect its a 1/4 pack delivering 1/4 power. Ie throttle recalibrated to 1/4 to maximise running time and save the cells by not discharging above there rated discharge rate.

 

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Aother team

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/28/motor-racing-electric-india-idUSL4N0JD2B120131128

Nov 28 (Reuters) - Mahindra Racing will join the new Formula E electric racing series starting next year as the eighth, and only Indian, team, the Mumbai-based Mahindra Group said on Thursday.

The $16.2-billion multinational group said it had signed an agreement with Formula E Holdings to join the series starting in China in September, with races in 10 leading cities including Berlin.

"We strongly believe that Formula E can provide an excellent global showcase for our electric vehicle technology," group chairman and managing director Anand Mahindra said in a statement.

The group, which manufactures Mahindra Reva electric vehicles, said joining Formula E was a "natural step".

 

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It's shaping up nicely, now only 2 teams to go! Really interested to see what kind of drivers they manage to get... Shame it's still so far away!

Yeah im just hoping theyre good and that people arent to bored the first year.
Its not many races, going to take a few years to devlop it properly and everyones using the same car the first year, rather than open championship.

 

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karun chandhok wants one of the Mahindra seats.

“Racing will further accelerate that trend while Formula E is set to raise awareness globally about the benefits of electric vehicles.” Chandhok, who raced in Formula One with now-defunct Hispania (HRT) and Team Lotus and has also competed at Le Mans, told Reuters he was in advanced talks with Mahindra to drive for them. “The first priority was to get the team launched,” he said. “Formula E is a very interesting new concept so we’ll see if we can close something out in the weeks to come. “It would be nice to have an Indian driver in the only Indian team on the grid,” added Chandhok, who said there would be no clash with any World Endurance Championship events.

Read more at: http://www.firstpost.com/sports/kar...a-e-drive-1257681.html?utm_source=ref_article

Good to see a driver name at last and a pretty big one at that.

 

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Calendar confirmed

Round 1 - Beijing, China, 13th September, 2014
Round 2 - Putrajaya, Malaysia, 18th October, 2014
Round 3 - Rio de Janeiro, Brazil , 15th November, 2014
Round 4 - Punta del Este, Uruguay, 13th December 2014
Round 5 - Buenos Aires, Argentina, 10th January 2015
Round 6 - Los Angeles, USA, 14th February 2015
Round 7 - Miami, USA , 14th March 2015
Round 8 - Monte Carlo, Monaco, 9th May 2015
Round 9 - Berlin, Germany, 30th May 2015
Round 10 - London, UK, 27th June 2015

All events remain subject to FIA Track Homologation

 

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Now that i like, i like the virgin brand.

 

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Who doesn't like popin' cherries.

 

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Well its budget capped and it also fits the virgin brand far better.
Same team principal which lasted just a month in F1

 

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40 cars (well 42 thats how many they ordered) with rapid charging the first car.
As and when charging/battery technology gets better then swapping cars wont be needed.

http://www.fia.com/championship/fia-formula-e-championship/2013/fia-formula-e-championship

There will be 10 teams, 20 drivers, and 40 cars
Each team will include 2 drivers and 4 cars
e-Prix will be held in 10 cities across the world
Racing circuits will be held in cities, and will be approximately 2.5 km to 3 km long
Cars will accelerate from 0 km/h to 100 km/h in 3 seconds, with a maximum speed of 220 km/h
Noise decibel levels will be approximately 80 dB(SPL) (ordinary car: 70 dB; bus: 90 dB; Formula One track 130 dB[8][9])

And yes electricity is the green zero future. Even with the current grid, its still significantly greener than petrol, and the grid is getting more renewable every year.

And of course theres the qaulcomm halo, which may appear as soon as the second season. Where they install charging pads along the racetrack, so they don't need to stop.
However i hope they don't go this route, as it kind of makes pushing battery and recharging tech pointless. Rather use wireless charging in the garages.

As at the moment theres no rules on how much capacity the batteries can have. So in future years, teams can build there own and use experimental batteries that have 2,5 even 10 times the current capacity.

A Rechargeable Energy Storage System (RESS) is a system that is designed to propel the car via the electric motor. In order to comply they must be:
- FIA Standard
- The maximum weight of the Battery Cells and/or Capacitor of the RESS must not be higher than 200kgs
- All Battery Cells must be certified to UN Transportation Standards as a minimum requirement

 

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Just lol.
Once the grid goes green, then you look back at what builds it, which will be the grid. This will off course take many decades to complete.

Youll still of co2 from concrete and mining etc. but actual power will be zero and once that happens, we don't need to worry about co2 from mining. As we don't need to be absolutely zero.

Let alone the current issue of smog in cities will be a thing of the past, carbon particulates will be almost non existent and general air quality will be massively improved.

And no batteries are the future. Usa, EU and other countries have already committed to ev and batteries.
There are dozens of working prototype batteries typically ranging from 2-10times current capacity. So that would increase the range of the tesla-S from 300 miles, to 600-3000 miles. Most of these prototype batteries as well as storing significantly more, also charge far faster. Not all will make it to mass production, but we only need one. Even the bottom end of doubling current capacity, would make EV suitable for 99% of vehicles.

 

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It well be zero in many ways. It'll be zero at tail pipe, still be zero at creation etc.
It iis not how you put it at all. Renewable still produces far more energy than it costs to create, meaning it self sustaining, so its not built by oil, once its up and running. Ots like saying oil today is produced from our coal days.

And no turbines wont be the future, we've already seen the decline of hybrid cars. You may want to read eu 2050 road map, or usa equivalent or many other countries.
Its the same as people saying hydrogen is the future, with the research and a few demo cars, it isn't for many reasons.

Its also far more than just lithium air which is 10x the capacity and they can be used in ev as well.

 

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That sounds epic. Any info on these large flywheels?

I'm with you on batteries. Just imagine the piles of them if every car was electric? And then multiply that by a number if battery swapping were in place. Pure electric and batteries is not the future.

It realy is the future, battery swapping isn't. Its just not needed.

There are already several lithium battery recycling plants like
http://toxco.com/processes.html

On top of that when the cells are no longer good for EVs they are still more than capable for other jobs. Meaning you can up cycle them.

Flywheels just cant store enough energy for their weight and certainly cant compete with batteries.

 

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Audi and Porsche seem to disagree with you.

No they dont, those are hybrids, they aren't solely powered by flywheels.
They are more like kers, extra power/energy recovery. Not a full EV car equivalent.
You can just not store enough energy in them in a reasonable size. Once you get up to bus and train theres more hope. For cars no chance.

Audi = hybrid
Porsche = hybrid
volvo = hybrid

This isnt even in the same sport let alone ballpark. Kers is just massively tiny compared to full EV.

Which technology is already being sold? Battery
Which technology has the infrastructure in place? Battery
Which is the technology that many governments have long term plans for over the next 4 decades? Battery

No other alternative technology can say that.

 

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Lol, whos got the blinkers on, few governments.

Usa, Eu, china, infia etc. a few? Yeah right.

China on its own wants to be making over one million EVs a year by 2015.

And more than their range in a day. More blinkers. Yes they can there is a network of fast chargers.

Hybrids are not the future they are not supported by governments in the longterm.
And more to the point you were wrong about fly wheels. You said nothing about hybrids in an all electric thread.


Denying it? i've done nothing of the sort. I know full well it exists, there are trains and buses using flywheel technology (not hybrids). It however is not suitable for cars. Its a shame you don't seem to know the technology or governmental plans and funding.

 

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Nope, but that isnt what you meant, not one post has hybrid in, untill i pointed it out.

 

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Lol, just making up stuff now?
Where did i say i. Was the authroty on it?

No going to reply about a few countries, or govermental long term plans, finacing or anything else?

What hes posted is extremly interesting, but its for grid storage.

 

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Not sure if mentioned but last team signed up - http://www.fiaformulae.com/news/leonardo-dicaprio-to-enter-formula-e

Nice, i wonder how much envolvment he'll have.

And then there's the precious metals needed for the electronics in battery pack and motor control. No one ever talks about this kind of thing. There are already warnings about how gadget sales are having an impact on this area, adding more complicated electronics to every car in the world won't make it any better.

Thats becuase the grid isn't mainly renewable yet. As the grid gets greener, nothing will match. There's nothing wrong with searching for alternatives (especially as they can be used in other sectors) but its almsot certianly will never happen replace EV. As the years go on EV gets more and more deployed and more and more invested in. It is extremly unlikely that flywheel will ever be suiitable for small vehicles. The fact is its almsot a given EV will win(pretty much has allready, again read the long term policies and funding of most countries) and is the future. It will be next to impossible for anything to catch it up.

It doesnt matter if the processing is toxic or automated, it's what you get out at the end after its processed that we care about. So the fact it is 90% automated, really means nothing at all.

As for rare eart elements, they aren't so rare, we have thousands of years left, the few scaremongering reports, are that, scaremongering. And dont take intto account changing mining.
There's also several of these battery protoypes that use common and cheap elements.

If you read the 2050 EU transport roadmap. Then EU is planning to phase out all petrol cars from city centers by 2050. Not looking so good for hybrids.the majour oview, but it goes into a loot more details obviusly.

In 2030 electric vehicles will account for 50%.
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By 2050:
cities to completely phase out petrol cars
shifting to rail or water 50% of all passenger and freight road transport currently making intercity journeys of more than 300km
airlines to increase their use of sustainable low-carbon fuels to 40%
shipping to cut 40% off its carbon emissions.
Reduce all transport co2 emmisions by 60%

In combination with that the energy 2050 roadmap. Expects electeical usage to double, a significant part of that is EVs.

High energy efficiency. Political commitment to very high energy savings; it includes e.g. more stringent minimum requirements for appliances and new buildings; high renovation rates of existing buildings; establishment of energy savings obligations on energy utilities. This leads to a decrease in energy demand of 41 % by 2050 as compared to the peaks in 2005–06.

Diversified supply technologies. No technology is preferred; all energy sources can compete on a market basis with no specific support measures. Decarbonisation is driven by carbon pricing assuming public acceptance of both nuclear and carbon capture and storage (CCS).

High renewable energy sources (RES). Strong support measures for RES leading to a very high share of RES in gross final energy consumption (75 % in 2050) and a share of RES in electricity consumption reaching 97 %.

Delayed CCS. Similar to the diversified supply technologies scenario but assuming that CCS is delayed, leading to higher shares for nuclear energy with decarbonisation driven by carbon prices rather than technology push.

Low nuclear. Similar to the diversified supply technologies scenario but assuming that no new nuclear (besides reactors currently under construction) is being built resulting in a higher penetration of CCS (around 32 % in power generation).

 

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It's an eu outline. At the moment we are still on the 2020 eu roadmap. So a few years left to ratify the 2050 one.

http://ec.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/press/press_releases/2011/pr1127_en.htm