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Fidelity Super Resolution 2.0

Nexus18 said:
Read back through tommys posts, just because he bought into turing for DLSS, he seems to think everyone that buys a nvidia gpu is only buying for dlss and no other reasons (although he hasn't specifically answered that question still...)
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Not for the first time as pointed out by others-words in mouth again.

I'm not a mouthpiece for Nv users, I only speak for myself.

Didn't exactly go from one of the highest clocked out the box 1070s to a 2070 for a raster increase did I?:p

Talking about specifically answering questions, I'll even make it easier to answer:
In pounds and pence-what's the cost to run FSR on Nvidia?
 
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I dont know why but like a magnet some polar members like to wade in and stir rubbish. Like has nexus even got access to a current AMD gpu? Or is it just armchair mud slinging as he does not want 'the enemy' to bring competition?

The thread isn't even 'lets compare this to dlss' or 'FSR 2 vs dlss':

shankly1985 said:
FSR 2.0 to come/announced soon. Saw some footage today. Very impressive.

  • Temporal upscaling + optimized AA
  • Does not need AI
  • Runs on GPUs from all vendors
  • Impressive performance and image quality
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And there we go again with nothing of substance or of worth to add to the topic/discussion at hand and resorting to silly things like "the enemy" :rolleyes: People seem to forget the 3080 is my first nvidia gpu since the 8800, before the 3080, it was a long line of amd cards, maybe see this point which sums up this thread and my take on fsr 2:

This is why if amd are going to be charging pretty much the same as their competitors then they need to get their **** together, as a consumer, I and am sure many others don't really give a **** if one is offering something for free or not, I care about the experience I could get "now", not in 2/3 years or even longer.
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Do you really think there won't be comparisons given they are "upscaling" techs aiming to achieve the same thing. If you can't handle discussion, then this forum isn't the place for you.

Bill Turnip said:
He didn't. You claimed he insinuated that's what people did, but even then I pointed out that it wasn't how I read his post. Posts 337 - 339. I disagreed with him on the AMD buy in until he clarified his point regarding support.

This is all getting a little off topic now though. FSR 2.0 can only be a good thing, and it's time AMD had an upscaler that at least competes with DLSS, even if I'm of the opinion it isn't quite the same level yet. The fact that it's open source will help in the long run.
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As I said:

Read back through tommys posts, just because he bought into turing for DLSS, he seems to think everyone that buys a nvidia gpu is only buying for dlss and no other reasons (although he hasn't specifically answered that question still...)
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To insinuate something is to "suggest" or "hint" i.e. he is giving the impression that since he bought into turing purely for dlss, everyone else also only buys nvidia hardware for dlss. I can't be bothered going back quoting posts and highlighting words, they are all there on the past 3 or so pages if anyone really cares to keep going over the same points again and again.

tommybhoy said:
Not for the first time as pointed out by others-words in mouth again.

I'm not a mouthpiece for Nv users, I only speak for myself.

Didn't exactly go from one of the highest clocked out the box 1070s to a 2070 for a raster increase did I?:p

Talking about specifically answering questions, I'll even make it easier to answer:
In pounds and pence-what's the cost to run FSR on Nvidia?
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Great, so you and I can agree then that so far you are one of the very few to have bought in to nvidia "only" for dlss and nothing else that nvidia had/have to offer then :)

I have already answered your question so not sure why exactly you're still insisting on this point? Will highlight it for you again just in case you ignored it:

As for the question at hand, you didn't pay anything "directly" to amd, same way you haven't necessarily paid anything "directly" to nvidia "purely" for dlss i.e. you are buying into the brand and its feature set. Had we had the exact same gpus where one supported dlss and the other didn't then that is what you call a true buy in.

Troezar said:
Bound to go the way of Freesync, I'd never buy in for proprietary bells and whistles, example Physx. Open standards all the way.
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AMD are actually the ones holding us back from getting "choice" because nvidia are wanting to design/implement a solution that allows all 3 upscalers to be added in one go but amd are missing from the equation. There was a slide showing the placeholders/approach somewhere, a google will probably show it.

I don't really see why people want to see dlss etc. go away, what harm is it doing to amd owners etc.? It's not like amd don't have an option or there aren't other kinds of upscaling tech. Personally I am glad nvidia go with their methods as it forces amd to then act otherwise god knows how long we would have been waiting for free/adaptive sync and FSR to arrive (bearing in mind, nvidia owners have been enjoying dlss for the past 2+ years).... What's wrong with having both options to use? It's not like nvidia/dlss stops FSR 2 from being added and if anything, according to amd, having dlss already incorporated would speed up FSR 2 implementation as per their own diagram:

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Just out of interest, have you guys been over to the amd reddit thread and reminded "amd owners" that "FSR 2 is free!!!!"? Just seems they also agree with the points I originally raised.... :o

Reddit - Dive into anything

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What about that thread then guys? Are AMD owners who are also calling out the exact same points as myself wrong too because they are missing the "it's free!!!!" aspect?
 
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Nexus18 said:
I don't really see why people want to see dlss etc. go away, what harm is it doing to amd owners etc.?
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Who wants it to go away? Bring it on, more upscaling for all!
Nexus18 said:
To insinuate something is to "suggest" or "hint" i.e. he is giving the impression that since he bought into turing purely for dlss, everyone else also only buys nvidia hardware for dlss.
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I know what insinuate means. But he didn't give that impression at the time, and I pointed it out at the time! He has since also just stated that he was only talking for himself.

Stating that he claimed he bought it purely for DLSS is false as far as I'm aware, (I think RTX was the reason given, but @tommybhoy or yourself may correct me) so basing the supposed insinuation of everyone buying nvidia on that? Pretty tenuous.

As for the payment aspect, I have also replied to you on that and pointed out the flaw in your logic. People aren't paying purely for dlss. They are paying for feature set relating to that brand, of which DLSS is an aspect. Recording software, Ray tracing, dlss etc. FSR is not specific to Nvidia therefore you are not paying Nvidia specifically for it.

What is your position on FSR then? We seem to agree that DLSS is currently superior, but should FSR just be given up on? I don't think you'd say that, but happy to be told otherwise. I certainly think that it needs to be included to increase the base of people that can play high end games at decent rates. The more people in PC gaming, the better.
 
Bill Turnip said:
Who wants it to go away? Bring it on, more upscaling for all!

I know what insinuate means. But he didn't give that impression at the time, and I pointed it out at the time! He has since also just stated that he was only talking for himself.

Stating that he claimed he bought it purely for DLSS is false as far as I'm aware, (I think RTX was the reason given, but @tommybhoy or yourself may correct me) so basing the supposed insinuation of everyone buying nvidia on that? Pretty tenuous.

As for the payment aspect, I have also replied to you on that and pointed out the flaw in your logic. People aren't paying purely for dlss. They are paying for feature set relating to that brand, of which DLSS is an aspect. Recording software, Ray tracing, dlss etc. FSR is not specific to Nvidia therefore you are not paying Nvidia specifically for it.

What is your position on FSR then? We seem to agree that DLSS is currently superior, but should FSR just be given up on? I don't think you'd say that, but happy to be told otherwise. I certainly think that it needs to be included to increase the base of people that can play high end games at decent rates. The more people in PC gaming, the better.
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See the posts in this thread to see how many people would take great delight in seeing dlss die, same as all of nvidias other technologies :p :cry:

I think FSR is great, my main gripes are just this:

- FSR 2 uptake is slow as **** given amds own timing ETAs as shown in all their "PR" articles/talks

As mentioned, I want a good experience now, I can wait maybe a few months if needs be for a "better/on par" solution but not years for a lesser option especially if amd want to win me back with rdna 3. To lose dlss now would be a massive loss imo

- FSR 2 is not in majority of games that either "need" it or that I care about, subjective obviously but I think most would agree here too

- FSR 2 results are rather disappointing given the length of time gamers (more so amd gamers) have been waiting for now, deathloop has been their poster boy for showing what FSR 2 can do and the results aren't quite there compared to their competitors feature, then when you look at other titles like FS, GOW, the results are even less impressive, it's almost like they spent so long purely on their showpiece i.e. deathloop that they forgot about other games....

I do think FSR will be a great feature in the long run but as it is right now, when will it surpass the competition which has been around for 2/3 years?

When I posted those points, that is when I got reminded how it is "free".
 
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Nexus18 said:
Great, so you and I can agree then that so far you are one of the very few to have bought in to nvidia "only" for dlss and nothing else that nvidia had/have to offer then :)
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Bill Turnip said:
Stating that he claimed he bought it purely for DLSS is false as far as I'm aware, (I think RTX was the reason given, but @tommybhoy or yourself may correct me) so basing the supposed insinuation of everyone buying nvidia on that? Pretty tenuous.

As for the payment aspect, I have also replied to you on that and pointed out the flaw in your logic. People aren't paying purely for dlss. They are paying for feature set relating to that brand, of which DLSS is an aspect. Recording software, Ray tracing, dlss etc. FSR is not specific to Nvidia therefore you are not paying Nvidia specifically for it.
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Yes Bill, I bought into RTX, for DLSS AND Ray Tracing, but I can put words into peoples mouths too, let me give you an example:

tommybhoy said:
In pounds and pence-what's the cost to run FSR on Nvidia?
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Nexus18 said:
"it's free!!!!"
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:p
 
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And back to the selective quoting I see....

So genuine question then as this bit is still being ignored *insert surprised face*

Nexus18 said:
Just out of interest, have you guys been over to the amd reddit thread and reminded "amd owners" that "FSR 2 is free!!!!"? Just seems they also agree with the points I originally raised.... :o

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Given you have amd owners (and obviously lots of amd fans on that amd reddit thread), are they also in the wrong for stating the same as my points, simply because "it's free"? Still curious how this invalidates any of the points raised by myself and many others when it comes to fsr 2?

Lets just remind ourselves of how this all started too:

Nexus18 said:
Very disappointing show of FSR 2 games. This is why AMD have a hard time of winning back market share because they are way too late and then show up with tech that isn't as good and don't get their tech in games that "need" it or that people "want" to play....

What happened to this supposedly being very quick and easy to implement (the biggest pro that everyone kept going on about with FSR) especially if games already had dlss added? Is this just because amd have done what they usually do, throw it over the fence to developers and go do as you please?

Sniper elite 5 is a game that badly needs FSR 2, the shimmering is extremely noticeable and immersion breaking for me, probably the worst game I have played in last couple of years for it. I think this is AMD sponsored too so the chance of seeing dlss/dlaa is zero.
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tommybhoy said:
Must be raining inside, our nexus can fair gurn about a FREE feature he didn't even have to buy into.:cry:

On a more serious note, getting the laptop ready, installed W11 and loading up some games for hols, GOW running FSR 2@1080p quality rather than 720p native with lower settings, I'll take that all day long.
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AMD just published the FidelityFX Super Resolution 2 source code so go check it out if you are interested :)
videocardz.com

AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution 2.0 is now open source - VideoCardz.com

AMD publishes FidelityFX Super Resolution 2 source code Today marks a year since gamers could try out AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution technology for themselves with our spatial upscaler – FSR 1. With the introduction of FSR 2, our temporal upscaling solution earlier this year, there are now over...
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NinjaCool said:
AMD just published the FidelityFX Super Resolution 2 source code so go check it out if you are interested :)
videocardz.com

AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution 2.0 is now open source - VideoCardz.com

AMD publishes FidelityFX Super Resolution 2 source code Today marks a year since gamers could try out AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution technology for themselves with our spatial upscaler – FSR 1. With the introduction of FSR 2, our temporal upscaling solution earlier this year, there are now over...
videocardz.com videocardz.com
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110 games with FSR 1.0 support in the first year, not bad. :)

I've started using RSR in Warzone for the extra FPS, comes in very handy.
 
NinjaCool said:
AMD just published the FidelityFX Super Resolution 2 source code so go check it out if you are interested :)
videocardz.com

AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution 2.0 is now open source - VideoCardz.com

AMD publishes FidelityFX Super Resolution 2 source code Today marks a year since gamers could try out AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution technology for themselves with our spatial upscaler – FSR 1. With the introduction of FSR 2, our temporal upscaling solution earlier this year, there are now over...
videocardz.com videocardz.com
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I bloody hope Neocore add this to Inquisitor Martyr, the TAA in that is by far the worst implementation in any game I've played! Luckily disabling it and using VSR to set the resolution to 4K (native is 1440p) does a decent job of reducing jaggies.
 
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