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David Moyes for England Manager... He will be awesome.....
FIFA World Cup 2014 - GROUP D [Uruguay, Costa Rica, England, Italy - 14/19/20/24 June] **spoilers**
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Massively overhyped (by media) and massively overpaid too.
But that can't be the problem on its own. Other teams have players with massive egos. Ronaldo, Ibra, Suarez, etc. Difference is they can actually perform.
Why any of Englands players would have big egos is hard to understand
"Perform" is not a word any of them are familiar with Defence would have been better organised, Glen Johnson would have be at home and we would have scored as many goals. Don't sound all bad
Massively overhyped (by media) and massively overpaid too.
But that can't be the problem on its own. Other teams have players with massive egos. Ronaldo, Ibra, Suarez, etc. Difference is they can actually perform.
Why any of Englands players would have big egos is hard to understand
Of course they perform and maybe why they have egos. They perform and win at the highest level. Englands supposed golden generation pretty much did nothing consistently for England yet mopped up at a higher level.
Giggs barely did anything for Wales, Scholes was terrible and so on. So what, it hardly means they are over rated. These competition are full of players over the years that have performed well over 5 games and then been ****. World class is not being good for 5 games against average teams. The best players in the world have barely shone at international level in recent years.
I question how seriously they take it and the relevance of the current format.
Yeah, you hit on a really good point. I think one of the biggest problems is our players already play on centre stage, week in, week out. It's a bit different for like Chile/Uruguay players, they would get treated like heroes back home where as our players already sort get that treatment from club football. It must make a bit difference getting to those 50/50's. Still not an excuse mind. Shocking performances over the 2 games, especially the defence
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Yeah, you hit on a really good point. I think one of the biggest problems is our players already play on centre stage, week in, week out. It's a bit different for like Chile/Uruguay players, they would get treated like heroes back home where as our players already sort get that treatment from club football. It must make a bit difference getting to those 50/50's. Still not an excuse mind. Shocking performances over the 2 games, especially the defence
Germany
Spain til this World Cup
Brazil
Holland
All have players with big contracts, big exposure and big accounts of medals. They don't appear to be crap.
Ok simple, lets get the facts on the table, what's his weight and how much is he over weight. Your the ******* expert, you wouldn't have posted without know all the facts because if you did then that would make you an idiot. Lets understand how overweight he was pre tournament, what he is now and what his historical weight has been, summer, pre season and peak demand.
So lay them on the table now.
- Also which Fat camp did he attend ? Please provide or retract
- Where is the evidence he eats poorly or his diet is poor ? Please Provide empirical and long term evidence or retract
- From your assertion that Rooney does a bunch of training, misses sitters and gets fat in the off season (Not suggesting that's three separate issues but hey it's Friday night, lets roll with it.) Who has suggested his training was on finishing ?
When you say he gets fat in the off season can you provide any empirical evidence to suggest how overweight he was other than your own conjecture. And what is the universal measure of somebody of his build and height that pushes them over the mark to become 'fat' rather than overweight ?
And when did Fitness training (as has been documented before and during the world cup) actually been the same as technique training ?? But please do regale us with your actual coaching experience where fitness and technique training are the same. Please tell us the specific session you planned out and how it developed from physical to technical and how the principle of progression was used to do this. Progression would have been a REALLY Important principle you learned in your FA lvl 1. Don't ignore or you are discrediting your own argument.
I am sure when I did my training and qualifications with the FA over the last few years the four principals they talk about are
Physical
Psychological
Technical
Social
You may know them as the four corners.
From my memory I am sure fitness came into the the Physical part of it and well technique came into technical. Silly mistake on my behalf if I got technical and physical mixed up and thanks for correcting me and the FA on that.
Of course they can impact on each other. Poor psychological development can effect the ability to train or lean a new technique or improve on an existing technique, but you knew that right ?
Maybe the countless hours I have given up going to Manchester FA are spent different where you are. You are an FA Qualified coach right ??? I mean you would have course know the difference between the physical and technical training. As in you do different sessions for physical and you do different sessions for technical. For the uninitiated the FA like a lot of other national football bodies work to four key principals But DM can tell you a whole lot more about that.
You are the OcUK expert and you are of course qualified below UEFA B aren't you for both goalkeeping, age appropriate and Level 2 award in football coaching. So we are at least on par both in terms of our qualifications and experience ???? You do have 8 years coaching experience at amateur level don't you ??? Please tell me your not just a layman ???? please no because that would be pretty embarrassing right ???
So rightly or wrongly I assume you missed the three sessions that I attended with Stuart Pearce when he was under 21 manager about why 4-4-2 DOESNT work and the success they had moving away from it. But some posts up you seem to suggest 4-4-2 would be the better option. Not sure who you was at those sessions
And for your line if he did the extra technical training it's not really working, you would have course know its a two process between coach and player. As in it's the quality of the player and the quality of the coach can determine the outcome of the session. As in you can be the best player in the world but the ****** coach will do nothing for you and vice versa
Your countless sessions with your local FA would tell you that rather than a one size all approach each player regardless of their level of football differs. They develop different physically from Under 7s to open age. Some require more training in running, some require more training in stamina, some like Ryan Giggs would have their fitness training sacrificed for muscle development and recuperation.
You suggest
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It's nonsense, educate yourself, get yourself qualified with your local FA and you will soon pretty embarrassed to realise what you talk is utter utter arse
Each player requires their own individual training. Of course they all have general sessions but a lot more coaching, (Physical, Psychological and Social) is based around the individual the higher the level of football
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His training was fitness based not technique based
But of course lets leave open the benefit of any doubt. If he did extra technique training what was the session, what was the baseline and how did he improve against his own baseline and that of his peers to suggest he didn't improve or what is the measure of who is the best and who is the worst.
Of course if you can't provide any objective and empirical evidence feel free to retract. Because of course your argument would be invalid and would lack any credibility if you got fitness and technique training mixed up
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I still think it's different for the Premiership though, we don't have that bite that other teams seem to have at times. Remember the difference is minuscule, but that small difference is really important. I'm not saying that other players in other countries don't have exposure, football is massive all round the world. We also need to change our mentality with coaching. I see so many parents that are clueless pushing their 10 yo kids.. when really, we need to focus on the joy of playing football rather than trying to win at any cost. If children play with joy and no pressure to win, they try stuff which is far more out there and better for their technical abilities than when trying to 'just win'. I see this all the time.. literally!
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Spain underperformed as we do for practically all my life until the last two tournies.
Brazil, would you say as more players have come over to europe the worse they have got?
Holland, again under perform and usually have a fall out
If I was Dutch I'd be upset with the results considering the teams over the years.No answer for you regards the germans
although the german public wrote of this team like we did the england team. Expectations were very similar apparently. 
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I got rid of it because again it was completely irrelevant and your simple inability to read my posts does make this tiresome.
Please highlight where I said training and technique training were the same, oh wait, I didn't therefore, errm.... ask a relevant question.
now please explain how I claimed to know what his training sessions were? I didn't I questioned what they were and what the results were in EITHER SCENARIO and nothing more.
So I don't think I'll bother proving claims that... you made up.
Again if you actually post with relevance to what I've said, great, if you randomly post utter garbage you made up because you.. can't read, then what's the point.
Again, as with the quotes, extra training sessions aren't elevating him to the level that other players achieve with such extra training, in fact he's getting worse in recent seasons despite extra training, in both technique, and fitness.
Then lets go back to the first post on the subject, I said he's unprofessional, playing less well and I only ever stated he had one poor preseason, which is still unprofessional, and yes he did start the season, look ridiculously unfit, get shipped off to the states and come back thinner and fitter as a result.
This is a guy demanding new contracts while doing less, while doing less on the pitch.
Name another player who gets so unfit over the summer that he gets shipped off because he's been so poor. Ferguson publicly talked about his weight at the time, saying he was no Giggs and would have to fight to stay fit. Hodgson complained about his fitness at Euro 2012, where he was crap, because he took time off at the end of the season before euro's and did nothing.
He's required extra training going in to this tournament as well, its the same story over and over again with Rooney and has been continuing for 3 years. All the while crying, asking for transfers, demanding new better contracts, etc, etc.
yes, he is acting unprofessional, and some extra training sessions may be an indication he REQUIRES them as much as anything else, just to get to the same level the rest of the team does, because there is certainly no indication he is doing better than his team mates with all this extra work.
You've gone off on a complete tangent which has zero relevance to Rooney and his professionalism. Again name another 200k+ a week player who turned up so unfit that Ferguson sent him to, the Nike Headquarters in the USA, so there is the name of it as well.
When I tried to point out to you that extra training sessions isn't proof that he is unprofessional, you made up things I didn't say, demanding proof of things I didn't say and demanded proof of well, commonly known things, all the while asking about uefa qualifications.
This is semantics, not coaching knowledge, it's inability to understand that doing extra work in the season is not proof of Rooney being ultra professional.
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Remember in the premiership you play really bad teams with virtually no budget for like 25 games a season packed with old slow or journeymen players or young players who get bought as they start to look good.
Now the gap has started to lessen abit as money is filtering through you start to see a few more surprise results as complacent players don't do enough then you finish 7th in the league or whatever.
Now the gap has started to lessen abit as money is filtering through you start to see a few more surprise results as complacent players don't do enough then you finish 7th in the league or whatever.
So did Zidane. They should have told him to bugger off too. I have no idea if rooney still does. Macheda does as well, so does balotelli, Ozil and Sneider. Ashley Cole did too, no one ever cares until the performance drops.
Rooney seems to think he's in Zidane's league though. He's far, far from it and, TBH he hasn't played at a world class level for a couple of years now.
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Spain underperformed as we do for practically all my life until the last two tournies.
Brazil, would you say as more players have come over to europe the worse they have got?
Holland, again under perform and usually have a fall out
No answer for you regards the germans
Spain - European champions 2008 and 2012. World Cup champions 2010. confederations Cup runners up 2013. 5-6 years of almost dominance. I'd says that's pretty damn special.
Brazil - not really, if this is a downturn, being confederations cup winners against a very very good Spanish team, then well I'm not sure what you're expecting, them to win every World Cup? They are always there or thereabouts and could win it is year.
Holland - finalists in 2010, messed up at the euros but look back to something like their best, certainly not under-performing now.
Germany - not quite gotten there but usually look fantastic throughout.
Sorry. You believe he smokes. But he may not smoke. Yet, because you think he smokes it's a sign he doesn't take his work seriously. And because you think he smokes, United should have rejected his contract negotiations
I've always felt Holland have constantly overachieved for years. They have a population of 16m, compared to 200m in Brazil, 46m in Spain and 80m in Germany. On top of that, they have a middling league which attracts no big names and a great deal of the decent home grown players leave as soon as the opportunity arrives. I think countries like them, Belgium, Croatia, etc. are a credit to football.
As a neutral my main criticism of england would be their predictability. There is very little creativity or guile, especially in midfield. Technically they are also poor, feet and/or minds are slow.
Rooney has a good footballing brain but his feet are slow, Sterling is the opposite. Not good enough at this level.
I feel if you put Englands best in a 5-a-side game with any other european or south american team in the competition they would be completely & utterly decimated.
EDIT: just to chime in on the Rooney catfight above, he's never looked like a modern day premiership footballer in terms of build. He's in better shape now than he's been in a long time but whether it's fat or muscle he's too heavy to be properly effective, too heavy to turn quickly, too heavy to change direction. It's the John Hartson build and while it has it's merits the cons outweigh the pros at the highest level.
Rooney has a good footballing brain but his feet are slow, Sterling is the opposite. Not good enough at this level.
I feel if you put Englands best in a 5-a-side game with any other european or south american team in the competition they would be completely & utterly decimated.
EDIT: just to chime in on the Rooney catfight above, he's never looked like a modern day premiership footballer in terms of build. He's in better shape now than he's been in a long time but whether it's fat or muscle he's too heavy to be properly effective, too heavy to turn quickly, too heavy to change direction. It's the John Hartson build and while it has it's merits the cons outweigh the pros at the highest level.
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