FIFA World Cup 2022 Quarter-Final ** spoilers ** [9th - 10th December 2022]

Kane and his first penalty was spot on but god knows what he was thinking with his second one . Will be interesting to see if he gets raked over the coals after his miss last night, will he get blasted like Saka did with his penalty miss in the euros final??

I don't think Saka got blasted by the vast majority of fans after 2020 Euros. 90% were incredibly supportive, he even got a huge round of applause from Spurs fans in a pre season friendly at WHL and that says everything. It was just a small minority of knuckle draggers that attacked Rashford, Sancho and Saka. I'm sure a minority will attack Kane as well.
 
Imagine if Kane doesn’t take it and someone else misses he would get absolutely hammered. He is a world class striker who spends the entire game waiting for a one on one with the keeper from ten yards and has a decent record from the spot. He has to take it and he will know himself he should at the very least be forcing the keeper to save it. Such a shame but these things happen!
No I completely agree he has to take it, it would just be interesting to see, statistically, how much less chance he had in those circumstances than when taking a first penalty against a different keeper
 
A lot of talk this morning about "young England" having a great future etc - but then you realise Kane is our only really top class English striker - all the rest are 2nd tier at best.....any coming through ?

There was one but he is going to Prison. Lol. Not the same as Kane but could have easily led the line but we do need a number 9 to come through in the next 4 years. Kane will be 33 by then so he might still have a chance because he doesn't rely on his pace. Benzema and Lewandowski are still doing the business at 34.

All these players will be coming into their prime for the next world cup as well.

Pickford
TTA/James
Chilwell/Shaw
Foden
Bellingham
Sancho
Rashford
Saka
Tomori
Gallagher
Mount
Rice

Then you have the potential of Grealish/Kalvin Philips who will both be over 30.

My worry will be where we will get CB's from.

It is whether we waste it like Belgium did with an average manager or get someone in who can do the business.
 
There was one but he is going to Prison. Lol. Not the same as Kane but could have easily led the line but we do need a number 9 to come through in the next 4 years. Kane will be 33 by then so he might still have a chance because he doesn't rely on his pace. Benzema and Lewandowski are still doing the business at 34.

All these players will be coming into their prime for the next world cup as well.

Pickford
TTA/James
Chilwell/Shaw
Foden
Bellingham
Sancho
Rashford
Saka
Tomori
Gallagher
Mount
Rice

Then you have the potential of Grealish/Kalvin Philips who will both be over 30.

My worry will be where we will get CB's from.

It is whether we waste it like Belgium did with an average manager or get someone in who can do the business.
How many other nations are curently having a 'lull' so to speak. Cant expect the germans and the Spanish to be this weak forever. Throw the Brazilians in there too. Even Italy wasn't at this world cup.

With morocco awaiting the winner in the semis, we will never get as good a chance as this again. Southgates first real test this tournament and we failed.
 
German managing England ha. But I'd take it over Southgate

Why the hell would anyone think Tuchel would play a more entertaining brand of football than Southgate. The players you have at international level are the best you can muster from a bad pool. He couldn't play interesting football when he got to choose who was in the squad.

Replacing Kane with Rashford is just laughable. Yes Kane missed but if there was another pen he'd be the player you bet on scoring.

Rashford is utter pony. Always has been always will. One foot and one dimensional. But he's had a tough old time the poor typical low resilience Millennial. It pains me that dross like that get's a shout for England up top with a run of about 8 half decent games. When you look back at the players that banged goals in for their clubs and couldn't get in the first team years ago. We are struggling for forwards, not an area we usually struggle.


Will be interesting to see if he gets raked over the coals after his miss last night, will he get blasted like Saka did with his penalty miss in the euros final??
Depends on your definition, everywhere I look online he's getting slaughtered. No more of less than Saka, other than Saka had some about his skin colour.

I think too much will be made of this whole failing, but the team is filled with players that in previous years would have struggled to make 22 based on club form. People banging on about Sterling shouldn't be there and "Grealish our most creative player only gets 30 seconds". In what world is Grealish creative? He's been crap since joining City, was looking good as a big fish in a polluted pond but even in the last Euros was all hype and little end product. If he's a future player of England then they truly are in trouble.

But you only have to look at Maguire who has looked reasonable again, the standard of international football is laughable. No one has looked good, but they won't when you are used to seeing CL football or the PL squads worth near Billions. So many of the players haven't delivered despite hype.

Having lived through a **** load of international managers I'm not sure a new one makes much difference. We have tried loads of methods including expensive foreign managers with very little difference. I don't know why a big club manager would take the job anyway. Even Howe, why would he leave the Newcastle project to watch Foden and Mount play at about 50% of the form seen while playing with better quality around them. Everyone thinks they're the England manager but I don't think there's a different result if we started Grealish instead of X or Y. Apart from Bellingham I don't think anyone makes a case for being such class they have to start.
 
England were the better team overall and the refereeing was poor, those are facts.

Kane also missed a spot kick and France’s first goal was a sublime finish but there was a foul at the beginning, those are also facts, not speculative discussion points.

This absolutely isn’t a “just like other tournaments” loss. Hence, your post is pretty crap tbh. Inability to differentiate that performance from others is an immediate note to ensure you consider that persons opinion moot, in this case.
The good performance means nothing, goals are all the count. So yeah, it is just like all other tournaments for me, nobody remembers a loser that played well.
 
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A wet flannel could probably have the same success with these players in all fairness.
GS has acheived 10x more than any manager in the era of Shearer, Scholes, Lampard, Gerrard, Beckham, Scholes, Terry, Cole etc.

On talent, every single one of those players would walk into the current England XI. Southgate has this team punching above their weight, especially compared to England squads of the last few decades.
 
How many other nations are curently having a 'lull' so to speak. Cant expect the germans and the Spanish to be this weak forever. Throw the Brazilians in there too. Even Italy wasn't at this world cup.

With morocco awaiting the winner in the semis, we will never get as good a chance as this again. Southgates first real test this tournament and we failed.

Germany are a long way away, Spain look good and hungry, This tournament is the French last dance as their team is aging and will need a complete strip down, Argentina will be without Messi in the next one and Brazil have always been overrated plus a lot of their team will be gone by next world cup. I think we are in good steed but need some talent to come through in that time.
 
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I think on the whole we did well, it certainly wasn't a 'typical England' performance. We looked good for large parts of the game against a strong France side.

All that said, I think we could have done even better and I don't rate Southgate as a tactician at all - but the FA will be delighted and he'll stay for at least another couple of years. I feel like we do well in spite of Southgate, rather than because of him. Aside from the centre backs, we have a very gifted set of midfielders and attackers, among the best in the world - people should remember that.

It's also worth remembering that when you have two very strong teams, it can go either way on the day. The ref was poor and that didn't help us, and unfortunately Kane bottled the penalty when 99% of the time he scores. Fine margins as ever.
 
Genuine question, as I don't know, but what 'top class' club manager has taken an international post and done better than a SF, F and QF over their last three major tournaments?

It is all in context.

We beat the Germans and Denmark. Both failed to qualify out of their groups. Two world cups in a row for the Germans.

In major tournaments we have lost to Croatia, Belgium twice, Italy and now France. Same in the Nations league even though it is friendlies we have struggled against the top European sides constantly.

Getting to a semi final or final is irrelevant if you do not beat top opposition on the way where we always come unstuck.
 
I was a bit confused by the subs? We were missing a great kick-taker a la Trippier, Mount, Rashford for sure ... maybe one of them on earlier when the French were hacking us all over the place?
 
It is all in context.

We beat the Germans and Denmark. Both failed to qualify out of their groups. Two world cups in a row for the Germans.

In major tournaments we have lost to Croatia, Belgium twice, Italy and now France. Same in the Nations league even though it is friendlies we have struggled against the top European sides constantly.

Getting to a semi final or final is irrelevant if you do not beat top opposition on the way where we always come unstuck.
You can only beat who you play, other 'big' countries have lost to 'lesser' teams.

As for the Nation's League? That's pretty much just a step above friendlies, they should only be used to try out new players and ideas tbh.

I'm still waiting on an answer to my question.
 
we have a very gifted set of midfielders and attackers, among the best in the world - people should remember that.
I used to think the same and then I try to re-call when any of them dominated the match or put in the kind of performances they occasionally do for their clubs?

Even the likes of Foden I don't think is hitting anything like the promised form. How many of them outside of Kane do you think could leave the league they're in and go dominate anywhere else in the world apart from in the PL surrounded by billions of foreign talent? I think Southgate has done alright considering the players available. I mean we have Luke Shaw, Stones and Maguire at the back. If that doesn't terrify you nothing will.
 
Genuine question, as I don't know, but what 'top class' club manager has taken an international post and done better than a SF, F and QF over their last three major tournaments?

Getting to the QF or SF isn't as difficult when you have easy groups. If we had been in a group of death would we have made it? The problem with Southgate is he can't get us past the big challenges and with the players he has he should be beating them or at least occasionally beating them when it really matters. He is responsible for managing the game, his subs were terrible and came way too late, it was like he was just trying to get to ET rather than winning the game in 90 mins. I don't dislike the guy, he has done the best he can and he has certainly bought some pride back to England team but he isn't a top class manager and to win these tournaments you need that extra couple of %.

Deschamps is a top class manager isn't he? Roberto Mancini is as well.
 
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Getting to the QF or SF isn't as difficult when you have easy groups. If we had been in a group of death would we have made it? The problem with Southgate is he can't get us past the big challenges and with the players he has he should be beating them or at least occasionally beating them when it really matters. He is responsible for managing the game, his subs were terrible and came way too late, it was like he was just trying to get to ET rather than winning the game in 90 mins. I don't dislike the guy, he has done the best he can and he has certainly bought some pride back to England team but he isn't a top class manager and to win these tournaments you need that extra couple of %.

Deschamps is a top class manager isn't he?

Tough to say really, most of his managerial career has been with a very strong France side. I'd say he was a good manager but he'd need more time at club level to be called a top class manager. He hasn't really shown the ability to build a squad or manage over a period of years at that level.
 
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