Fishing - Anybody doing any ?

the only people who have ever been seasick when ive been on the boat are people who didnt really want to be there in the first place,
its a mind over matter thing... if your a fisherman and you want to catch fish the thought of getting sick wouldnt enter your head
 
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I always go out on twin hull cats now, the space and stability is good. Less roll/rocking too.

You've all see this clip before.. out on Sean's Great White Charter from langstone - combination of some medium swell and the twin 400+ hp engines at fast cruise. You can hear the engines and the whining of the turbos!

I would suggest taking the following on a boat if you're going for the first time:
* something to block wind to your legs, body, neck, head and ears.
* ear defenders - I use the plastic squidgy things you put in your ears. These work to block out the engine noise and keep the wind from getting in. Serious having both of those going for 30 minutes-2 hours can make you feel bad due to the noise.
* sun glasses and suntan lotion.

If you feel sea sick - look at the horizon or land. Don't look down, or stick your head down to look at bait or rigs. Also ensure you can sit down - sitting on a plastic box or seat on the deck whilst outside and looking at the horizon etc is far better than sitting inside.

Only time when I've felt really bad (but not sick) and ended up not wanting to fish is on a small mono-hull out of little brighton.. the sea was just as bad as the video and the boat was rolling a lot.


Starting to get the kids at christmas feeling.. Not long now.. long range weather shows it could be a great day.. mates are already posting pictures of conger on FB. :D

Will promise to take little camera along for video and shots.. although that will jinx the catch rate!
 
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3am start... picked up mates by 5am.. down at the Brighton Marina before 7am

The sun was shining, the sea was mirror calm and we'd turned up to go Conger hunting armed with big sticks and, after a visit to the Tacklebox, armed with £20 of cuttlefish for some additional Conger appeal.

Conditions were slow tide, slack about 9ish, then tide increasing steadily for the remainder of the day with mild applications of factor 50 suntan lotion.

Once on the boat, Jamie (Deckhand) and Paul (Skipper) were helping people get kitted up, I was busy prepping three of the four rods I brought:
50 lb sea range (think heavyish 30-50lb), warbird reel, 50 lb mono, 50lb shock leader, wire trace zero point running ledger (on wire) to a 10/0 oshaunnassy (I can never remember - hook for moby dick). This was freshly repaired by myself with a new fuji ring.
Agility Uptide 5-10oz, no up tiding but as a 20-30lb class, penn reel and 50lb gardner braid, 50lb shock to a boom, lure(s).
Agility Sea Spin 20-50g (1-2oz) 8ft with shimano hyper loop full spool, 20lb braid and mackerel feathers then lazzy band to the weight.


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(this was taken about an hour out..)

We headed off.. first wreck was occupied but we setup for mackerel - although perfect above water, the conditions underneath were murky. Just a couple of macky, a set of horse mack, some pout.. with that we headed off for Conger town with the cuttlefish and squid in defrost (we'd planned to use both anyway)..

On arriving, I put a whole cuttlefish, with a head of another that was in the bag on the 10/0 carefully so that it would be balanced and gave it a wrapping of elasticated thread. Lovely.. not moving on the hook and sits in the water nicely too.. with 12oz attached it made it's way quickly down to the bottom. The slack tide not moving it and allowing some line through the running ledger. I settled down to watch whilst telling some of the guys in our group (boat exclusively for our group) what they should do with one of the massive foot long squid and cuttlefish to prepare it for conger.

A little while later I noted a few knocks.. left it alone and it went all quiet again.. pulled up for a bait check - no problem.. and down it went again.

A little longer pasted.. Conger is a waiting game.. the tip of the 50lb rod moved a little - this being a medium action carbon rod means you have to watch as there's not much of this quiver tip action.. the rod nodded a little again.. time to pick up the rod and give it a 'play'.. so I picked up the rod and gave the line a little cuttlefish "slow pull".. sure enough there was weight and a pull back.. so I wound down.. with the tip of the rod just above the water... and raised steadily, with strength but not whipping it up.. I started to wind, and pump..

Paul: "Keep the rod out.. or the braid will snap on the keel"..

The rod bent in a lovely medium arch. I was busy pumping, winding.. and rod tip was knocking around - it's the first time I've seen this rod actually bend.. Even with 5Kg on in the garden it didn't bend like this. Meanwhile I'd been screaming "Guys.. err... this is a 50lb rod... Guys... err...". Whatever it was at the bottom of it .. it was feeling frisky. One mate strapped a support on, and the rod but went in.. my arms were starting to burn.. the rod was arched over ... man it was angry..

Paul: "Keep the rod out.. or the braid will snap on the keel".. So I repositioned myself.. my arms and back aching left me in the weird twisted form..

Paul (Skipper) was saying - ease off the drag, let it run and tire itself out.. so I slowly found the point of drag to leave it some movement... a few minutes late it slowed down and I started pumping again.. the rod was unloaded and I was reeling like crazy..

Jamie "Think it might be off.."
Paul " You might be right."

Beeeeennnnndddd... shake shake.

Paul "Oh no.. fish on"

Pumping again.. it made it into sight of the boat.. before making a slower run... at which point it was quickly surface bound.. with my new pumping style and the rod bending less each time.. it broke surface.

With it netted for photos - it's not a large fish but it had a lot of attitude.. rolling like crazy on the boat I couldn't get my fingers in to hold up.. T-barred and the hook was out. Slipping I finally got a hold on it..

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As I say not big.. but certainly made a bend I ache still today.. No idea of weight, or size.. I'm 6'5 with the hiking boots on.. and to be honest I didn't care about the weight but I have a little understanding of the respect these things need..

Returned head first it didn't look back, and with body undulating it made quick work of disappearing into the depths.

The hook photoed on return, I noted the teeth marks on the shank of the hook (there's little t-bar scrape but not all of that is t-bar, the skipper was too efficient):
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With that over.. I settled down into some light fishing using the spinning rod - I switched over to using a smaller set of hoki and put a 40g silver pike spoon on the spinning rod. With 6oz of lead the poor thing was in downtide mode.. but the spoon made it.. after a quiet period BLAM a full set of mackerel for bait.

I switched to the uptide rod and dropped a sidewider down with some fish on the hook for smell.. sat it there around the bottom - 20ft up.. just to see if there's any cod etc down..

I switched to the spinning rod.. and BLAM out of the blue a single mackerel.. The birthday boy Steve was presented with the mackerel.. which was put onto his line...

4 minutes later all I hear is a screaming reel.. "oh, I lost one before by striking too early.."... SCREEEEAAAAMMMMM ... Steve then picks up his rod and strikes hard.. *ping* !@£(*&!£(!&£Y$(!@&£$Y(@£&%Y(@£*&% @£%*$&@£%(&@Y£%(*&@Y expletive.. expletive.. probably a large tope but this was a 30-50lb setup with the drag screaming.. maybe the drag set to high.. but unlikely as he's been fishing for years.. the leader snapped. Gutted.

Flukiest catches by the same person - old brass pipe "that was fighting hard" until it broke the surface.. Much pish taking... then as all the last lines were lifted at the end of the day.. the same guy breaks the water surface - LOBSTER. Blue and freshly moulted, it had left one claw behind and the hook was wrapped around the other, he pulled it on the boat without a net (eek!) and then it shed the claw. Well that's dinner at his house sorted.. decent size too.

So Congers, Pouts, a cod, mackerel, horse makerel, cuttlefish (dropped back), brass pipe, lobster and lots of memories - all on a sunny lake like sea..

Next up... Ling.

I finally got back - being nominated driver... at 8pm I lost conciseness and the mrs decided to have some fun with the door stop she made.. but she only showed me this in the morning..

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Yup, hopefully the job situation will be resolved by then.

Usually you book (probably worth just doing a public day and people can book their own places), then the night before about 1700 you call the skipper and find out if it's on or not (depending on forecast etc). Most boats have their own kit you can use - you pay for any damage though (although that's not normally a problem) but losing tackle on wrecks can be. Most bait you'll source your own (i.e. Tackle box do a good range of frozen) and then you'll spend 20 minutes looking for fresh mackerel .. if none appear then you're back to your frozen that you brought along.. or lures..

Normally I'd suggest ensuring you have enough bait and the right bait for the target - as conditions vary the day can change in terns of what you're doing. I've gone out doing sandy bars.. then ended up in 100ft of utopia falls for a stint before heading back inshore..

I've done inshore anchored and drifting, offshore drifting over wrecks and offshore anchored. So I'd consider myself beginner++ now.
 
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Yup, hopefully the job situation will be resolved by then.

Usually you book (probably worth just doing a public day and people can book their own places), then the night before about 1700 you call the skipper and find out if it's on or not (depending on forecast etc). Most boats have their own kit you can use - you pay for any damage though (although that's not normally a problem) but losing tackle on wrecks can be. Most bait you'll source your own (i.e. Tackle box do a good range of frozen) and then you'll spend 20 minutes looking for fresh mackerel .. if none appear then you're back to your frozen that you brought along.. or lures..

Normally I'd suggest ensuring you have enough bait and the right bait for the target - as conditions vary the day can change in terns of what you're doing. I've gone out doing sandy bars.. then ended up in 100ft of utopia falls for a stint before heading back inshore..

I've done inshore anchored and drifting, offshore drifting over wrecks and offshore anchored. So I'd consider myself beginner++ now.



great report and well done, its nice when the conditions are like that
maybe we should have an OcUk boat trip next summer?

Sounds like a plan for the making. I would be up for this.
 
Sounds like a plan for the making. I would be up for this.

cool, we'l book the whole boat though if we can get 5-6 of us for a wrecking trip next june once the may rot has cleared,
im not a fan of public days as you end up with 8-10 rods in the water which wouldnt suit me, especially when drifting over wrecks
im Pro++ btw ;) :D :p
 
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So you can see why I say public day - just makes it easier when there's not one person that is liable for the full charter cost should things go bad (pessimistic :D)

Then you need to work out what you want todo .. depending on the tide - anchor for conger or drift for cod/ling/pollack etc if you're wrecking. Or just do drift/anchor inshore for a range for a range of fish species..
 
off fishing next week, same place that i caught the smooth-hounds from a few months ago, hopefully there will be a few codling and bass about, weather forcast isnt looking so great atm though (strong onshore wind) :/


So you can see why I say public day - just makes it easier when there's not one person that is liable for the full charter cost should things go bad (pessimistic :D)

Then you need to work out what you want todo .. depending on the tide - anchor for conger or drift for cod/ling/pollack etc if you're wrecking. Or just do drift/anchor inshore for a range for a range of fish species..

might be an idea to all book our own places on an individuals day just for the first meet up so were responsable for ourselfs, then look at getting the whole boat for future sessions,
if we book well in advance we might be able to fill the boat with just OcUK members anyway,
i see the Brighton diver hasnt got an active calendar for 2016 yet so i assume it will go live in the next few months so keep an eye out for 2016 dates being listed http://brightondiver.com/sea-fishing-brighton-timetable/
id suggest looking at going from mid June onwards as late April/May/early June is usually a bit of a crap time to fish due to the May rot/bloom,
id also suggest picking a date where the tide is small and the skippers advertised wrecking for Cod/Pollock with lures as its an active style of fishing..
this will be better for people who havnt boat fished before so they arnt just sat around getting bored/feeling ill :)
 
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Drift Wrecking with lures for cod, ling and pollack.

You arrive at the wreck, the then you repeated drift over the wreck with the skipper telling you when you can drop and when the lines must all be raised. At the end of the drift the skipper repositions the boat to the start of the drift again.

On the drop, you all drop your lures down on 10-14oz of lead.. hit the bottom and then wind up a few turns immediately so the lure doesn't snag on the bottom.
As the wreck approaches the idea is to get the lures to be as close to the wreck but not catch/snag on the wreck. Having a smaller tide means the fish aren't so close to the wreck.
Then you need to find the fish.. some fish are in different areas of the wreck in the water column (i.e. how far off the bottom). On the drift you don't need to bring the lure to the surface each time.. just until you know there's no fish following it.. then drop it back and start again.

You'll not miss a bite - the cod etc are larger than average shore fishing. It's not so much of a bite, more of a whack.

The main lure used is the very popular Sidewinder Sand Eel (I use 6") but they come in different colours:
* Rubarb & Custard - must have, a major favourite and works effectively
* Pacific Blue - worked better than the R&C in bright conditions
* mackerel fire - supposedly better for darker days and deeper wrecks
* solid black - supposedly better for darker days and deeper wrecks
* pearl/white - bass killing machines like the R&C.

A pack of 3 is about £6.. and you will loose some (and leads) on the trip. So if you don't have a rod and hire one it may be better to buy a couple of packs. You can use them again and again.. However big jaws can shred them (not cod) :D

I've also caught on squid lures and a 400g pirk (rambo exercise to jig that!).

Last time out on the BD drift wrecking we have 100+ cod for the boat kept, was returning fish and came home early - gutting and beheading all the fish on the way home.. I had some cod fillet from that trip last night (freezes well) and we still have more. All caught on a 20-30lb rod with 50lb braid (30lb would have done) and on a 20lb rod (i.e. 12-20) with more patience and attention to the reel drag. I was using R&C and blue sidewinders. We tried the sidewinder shad but it got no attention - perhaps because it was 4" rather than 6".

If you have rods and have not been drift wrecking before then you're looking at three bands:

Beginner band - 20-30lb class rod with 30lb mono/braid and a decent reel that can take enough line (i.e. 300 yards). The rod is heavy enough to nail any fish on the wreck - be it ling (big), cod (may be over gunning) or even conger (extreme luck if it doesn't chew through line). The beauty with this heavier rod is that if you make mistakes as a beginner it's not going to break something..

Intermediate/Sport band - matching with a light rod 12-20lb/20-30lb, 20/30lb braid/mono. The difficulty here is a light rod will play the fish but be harder to bring to the surface with a large specimen, often this causes tangles as the fish may weave around the other lines. Going for the heavier rod if you find there's big fish being brought up is preferable to the skippers to reduce tangles.

30-50lb rods are going to be over gunning. My 50lb rod (i.e. 30-50lb in today's terminology) felt like it was over gunning the conger in the picture. It could have been done on my 20-30lb rod, it would have just been a little more time to bring to the surface..

Most hire rods you'll be fine and using a 20-30lb downtider - perfect for the job.

Drift wrecking can also be done with bait - like a whole mackerel, the difference is you'll get the attention of the larger ling.. think big toothy predators. I think this will be my next target species.

This is the sort of thing..
 
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off fishing next week, same place that i caught the smooth-hounds from a few months ago, hopefully there will be a few codling and bass about, weather forcast isnt looking so great atm though (strong onshore wind) :/

didnt fish in the end :(
mon - wed the wind was far too stong, huge waves,
thursday was a nice day with high tide at 9pm, i started getting my tackle together around 5pm and checked the bait (mackerel & squid) which had been in the freezerbox at the top of the fridge and was as solid as a rock,
normally its keeps the bait just around freezing point and doesnt take long to defrost but this was like it had been blast frozen and so i thought sod it... and went back to the bar :D
 
Hehe - think a trip down early next week - catch a mid day-ish high tide off the east wall.. going simple style - mackerel/squid/cuttle for kicks and to get out of the house. Not sure if I will take the spinning rod and the uptide like last time or simply take the spinning rod and abuse the fly rod with full spool and the 3g MEPPS or 7-10g toby on it.. depending on wind..
 
quite a strong E/NE wind forcast for the first half of the week, keep an eye on the tackle box's twitter feed regarding walls being open/closed https://twitter.com/thetackleboxbtn
have you already arranged to go with someone or shall i come pick you up? :)

Sounds good. Originally a mate was to come along but his op was moved so he can't do that now. I was going to pop down and spend the day lazy style over the mid day tide. Probably get myself a cheap squid jig from tackle box. Still undecided which day at the moment but early part of the week I think.. may even do sunday but the mrs has other ideas involving gardening I think :/ Mon/tues looking like N to NNE winds.. so over the top of the wall and helping casting out on the east arm..

If anyone is interested in squid fishing - here's a great explanation of three methods (float, egg and dropshot): http://www.sportingfish.co.uk/sportingfishtv/3-rigs-to-catch-squid.html

Likely run with the spinning rod and the uptide then - allows for a bit of wind punching but also allows for heavy lead drop shotting where the lead is acting as an anchor in the tide, the elastic is then being stretched to make the motion..
 
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i fished the UK Squid comp at the marina in 2012, when this happened.. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...ho-caught-a-1cm-specimin-declared-winner.html
:D
i caught one from there the year before, didnt get a pic of it though, still got a few jigs kicking about, iirc i have a weighted one for casting like a lure and a neutral balance one for float fishing
EDIT: id have to pass on going Sunday as im out for pub/indian with a few mates saturday night and it could get a bit messy lol, so i wount want to drive on the sunday morning
 
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Probably get myself a cheap squid jig from tackle box...

welcome to use these bits, could do with some small bullet leads and some power gum for a stop knot though.. im not sure what i have kicking around

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alarm set for 04:30, see you bright dark and early :( :D
 
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welcome to use these bits, could do with some small bullet leads and some power gum for a stop knot though.. im not sure what i have kicking around

alarm set for 04:30, see you bright dark and early :( :D

I built myself a cork float.. I've painted because it looked 'suspect' (her first comment) and also made a surface plug painted too.

Will also bring along the little, ancient 3-10g spinning rod.. a mack or gar on that will be interesting..

edit: cork float cocks with a 1oz weight.. so between the cork, the weight and the bait/lure.. that's probably 2oz and perfect for the spinning rod :D
 
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