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Why is there no information on new features yet? Tempted to get back into this version. Struggled to get on board with the newer FMs due to there being too much detail having to go into each area of the game but I went back to FM2008 and my Hyde United game the other night and got the bug...
 
[ASSE]Hinchy;30051552 said:
Why is there no information on new features yet? Tempted to get back into this version. Struggled to get on board with the newer FMs due to there being too much detail having to go into each area of the game but I went back to FM2008 and my Hyde United game the other night and got the bug...
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I know. I don't like how SI appear to be marketing FM nowadays. Making people buy the game before a certain date to receive access to the beta and then not releasing any details until just before the beta comes out.

FM has the brand recognition to not need to trap buyers in like this and SI should be more open, earlier in the life-cycle of an FM release.
 
I agree, I know when you have a winning formula there might not be many things to change but FM has not just changed enough in the past 3 versions. God forbid they should release a version every couple of years.
 
I agreegree.

I think the majority of the user base will continue to buy and support Sports Interactive; we just want information.

A two year cycle, with transfer updates could work because sometimes year by year it can feel a little stale (I know they work on two year cycles anyway).
 
Really hoped the beta would be released by this weekend - got a long trip up to Newcastle and back on Saturday and a brand new FM would have really done the trick.
 
I would love to try this out again. I started with CM, CM 93, Italia and the 93 up date disks. I think I got the first FM and possibly the second FM after the split. I didn't get on with those as much. Now the current game maybe from 3 or 4 iterations ago I hated, far too much in the game. TOO indepth for me and takes ages to get a game underway. I know it's a footy managment game and this goes from training kids and doing interviews etc but I can't get on with the new way it's gone. Maybe it's me getting old and lost touch with managment games like this.

It's a shame really as I would lik to give it ago but don't want to fork out money to find out I give up after a few weeks playtime.

Edit: I do remember editing the game and made an OCUK team with members in the team that was going back a few years, the team was Called Fenton FC,, :)
Edit 2: The editied game file was shared with members on here too lots played a game of it and enjoyed it iirc.:)
Edit 3: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17675063&highlight=fenton+fc
 
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I absolutely adore the micro management involved. It's a master-class. The ability (or lack of with some scouts lol) to follow a player for many seasons as he adapts and develops is fantastic and I feel a sense of achievement when my wonderkids turn into world class players. I can't wait to sink my hours into 17.
 
Am I the only one who is really disappointed with this? :( Literally nothing new that is worth it. I think the most significant additions for me are the 64-bit version (faster loading times hopefully) and the secondary filter button.

They always come out with the same stuff; improved match engine, improve transfers, improved contracts, improved screens (which are not really that useful) etc. I find myself doing the same stuff I did the year before. I'm not interested in creating my manager face. I'm not interested in the press approaching me (my assistant does that), I'm not interested in the players walking out to start a game (I'll skip that). I'm not interested in my assistant's messages appearing in my inbox (we had the backroom staff meeting or whatever). Who the hell cares about the social media? Again, I don't do press related stuff.

Granted, we will all probably play it because we all want the updated teams and such, but I really didn't find anything worth mentioning. I think I want them to increase the reality of what happens, substantially. I found FM16 very challenging (nearly impossible, but that might be because I haven't invested too much time) but sometimes it was too much. i literally couldn't buy any promising regen for decent money. 16 year old regens were values at 100M+. Players who had high PA but struggled to get 10 appearances in 2 years were also valued at absurd amounts. I never had one good regen at my club, they all go to Barca (even when playing with good teams). Match logic can be vastly improved (and not this slight increase). Again, I'll probably play it, but I'm not super excited for any of the new stuff.
 
I don't really understand that, of course they release similar things each year. They cannot reinvent the wheel?
 
Tummy said:
I don't really understand that, of course they release similar things each year. They cannot reinvent the wheel?
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You're right. I don't want them too. But I feel like most of the stuff they gave us is not really useful. I'd rather they focus on stuff that impacts the core game play rather then a new screen. You say that the game is similar, but there are 1000+ changes. That to me is a significant number, but the impact of those changes is not as significant.

I'd rather they do a 100 changes which really matter than 1000 which not many people use. I think coaching (and their effect on the game) can be changed a lot. Training can be improved. I felt like that whatever I was doing really didn't improve my results so I just stopped playing :p
 
Tummy said:
I don't really understand that, of course they release similar things each year. They cannot reinvent the wheel?
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Unless people stop buying it every year you wont see much change.

This type of game could benefit so much if it started to use native 64bit but no they have been running the same code since the launch of the FM brand that is lazy.

This year they have put the price up as well but playing off the discount thing.
 
The__Malteser said:
You're right. I don't want them too. But I feel like most of the stuff they gave us is not really useful. I'd rather they focus on stuff that impacts the core game play rather then a new screen. You say that the game is similar, but there are 1000+ changes. That to me is a significant number, but the impact of those changes is not as significant.
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I disagree; Sports Interactive have always steadily increased the overall quality of the product. Incremental improvements.

There have been by the sounds of it, huge improvements with the AI decision making for example this year. There are always tonnes of changes.

The__Malteser said:
I'd rather they do a 100 changes which really matter than 1000 which not many people use. I think coaching (and their effect on the game) can be changed a lot. Training can be improved. I felt like that whatever I was doing really didn't improve my results so I just stopped playing :p
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I've never had that; I mean, I change tactics, training, style, players, and try and improve results. I only 'stop playing' really when the next game is released, and I rarely get bored with teams.

I agree there are still improvements to the game to be made, but I'm happy with the progress every few years. Looking back on older versions the difference is staggering.

edGfaCTor said:
Unless people stop buying it every year you wont see much change.

This type of game could benefit so much if it started to use native 64bit but no they have been running the same code since the launch of the FM brand that is lazy.

This year they have put the price up as well but playing off the discount thing.
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There are a lot of changes each year, they're just under the hood or little changes. They cannot reinvent the wheel with this sort of game.

I agree about 64bit, but Football Manager 2017 has 64 but support.

The price thing is so-so, it rewards loyalty and even at the higher price point is still fantastic value in my opinion.
 
Shamelessly stolen from Mijati on Reddit.

Not fully finished yet but some stuff:
  • Social Media added to the game (Fake Twitter)
  • Improved News feed - Additional information for things like arranging friendlies and picking a captain.
  • Pre-Contract talks with players/Agents to make some "promises" before you sign a player
  • Clubs may hold off selling a player if they think they can get more elsewhere
  • An agent will go back and forth to clubs if several have made offers for a player.
  • Clubs may delay selling a player until they have a replacement.
  • Get a prompt that getting a player on loan with the option to buy on transfer deadline day if you'd run out of time otherwise
  • Another transfer lock option so you can say you want that clause to be there but the amount is variable
  • Delay moving teams until the end of the season
  • 64 bit client
  • Fantasy Draft can have AI, meaning can play solo
  • Quick Start mode and advanced mode for start
  • More post match analysis
  • Player Comparison Screen improved
  • New view to see a table for First half of the season and a second half
  • Next opposition reports improved with more information and stats
  • Team report and statistics improved
  • Scouting reports improved
  • Can sort by multiple columns in lists such as the scouting lists
  • Players with low adaptability might be less likely to move abroad
  • Able to import a picture of your face to map to your manager
  • Additional options such as facial hair and changing the colour of your tie!
  • Transfer Sagas are more involved and can last the entire transfer window
  • AI is smarter with signing players
  • More questions from journalists on transfers and transfer rumours
  • Can adjust Wage/Transfer budges on deadline day
  • Minimum Fee Release Clause to players in Continental competitions
  • For loan deals you can have a wage % amount for if the player actually plays a game (so 100% wage if they play, 60% if they don't for example)
  • Backroom advice is now spread out. You'll get contextual advice from various screens. (Tactics screen will give you tactics advice, player screen gives player advice)
  • Option to apply all recommended advice from backroom staff.
  • Data Analyst new staff role - They provide more detailed pre and post analyst reports
  • Sports Scientists new staff role - Reduce the chance of injuries returning
  • Assistant Manager gets suggested formation on tactics screen
  • Players can start coaching badges before they retire
  • Can now see heat maps for a match
  • Can see where position was gained and loss and where players made touches
  • New "more contextual" questions in media conferences
  • More questions about match events (presumably things like off-side decisions?)
  • More attributes start to decline as players get older
  • Player decline now takes into account club training facilities, number of matches being played
  • Players can conduct interviews with the media to say they're unhappy about not getting first team football (don't they already do this?)
  • Boards work more closely with the manager - come forward more often to discuss things more frequently
  • Chairmen will also speak to you after a takeover
  • More options for affiliates and options to change things for ones already in place
  • Sugar Daddies are now dynamic and will change the amount of money they give as a team goes up and down the leagues
  • Underwriter who expects return - Invests in lower league side and gives them a loan to get rid of debt that needs to be played back if the club makes it to the top league
  • Club history now has new records such as most clean sheets in a reason
  • Players history now is more in depth and has more stats
  • More names for Danish New Gens!
  • Youth League system revamped in Australia
  • MLS Superdraft AI has been improved
  • Kosovo and Gibralter added to relevant international qualifiers
  • Network game has no options such as number of times a game may stop on any one day
  • Timer for things such as board meetings
  • Option for all teams to have assistant managers take control of friendlies
  • Financial Fair Player has been updated
  • Polish League added with relevant rules and prize money
  • Instant Result halfway through a match in FM Touch
  • Engine changes are present in FM Touch too
  • New camera for behind the goal
  • 1500 new motion captured elements
  • Players move more fluidly
  • Vanishing spray added for free kicks
  • Pre match presentation - see players walking out, warming up and lining up before games
  • Able to pass back from kick off
  • Number of decisions players make per second has almost doubled leading to more split second decisions
  • Defensive AI has been improved - Defenders adapt more to the players they're playing against. Position themselves better from crosses and corners and react better to lose balls. Goalkeepers make better judtgements when to come out to close down players.
  • Commentary has been refreshes and more contextual and gives more information on injuries
  • AI managers use player roles more intelligently
 
Tummy said:
I disagree; Sports Interactive have always steadily increased the overall quality of the product. Incremental improvements.

There have been by the sounds of it, huge improvements with the AI decision making for example this year. There are always tonnes of changes.



I've never had that; I mean, I change tactics, training, style, players, and try and improve results. I only 'stop playing' really when the next game is released, and I rarely get bored with teams.

I agree there are still improvements to the game to be made, but I'm happy with the progress every few years. Looking back on older versions the difference is staggering.



There are a lot of changes each year, they're just under the hood or little changes. They cannot reinvent the wheel with this sort of game.

I agree about 64bit, but Football Manager 2017 has 64 but support.

The price thing is so-so, it rewards loyalty and even at the higher price point is still fantastic value in my opinion.
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Fair enough. To be honest I found FM16 very different in terms of how it plays out. It was 'harder' in every aspect, which isn't necessarily bad, but sometimes it was a bit ridiculous. I was Celtic, and I never got one decent regen. I had to buy good, young players from Brazil/Argentina for a few millions, wait until they are 18, loan them out because they have no work permit (thus losing their home grown status) and then maybe give them a shot at the first team. European regens were way out of my league price wise.

Defensively nothing ever worked. I leaked in a lot of goals. I tried doing defensive training, getting defensive coaching, everything. I never really managed to do that well in the league. I always lost ~8 games and drew another ~4.

It was easy to sell your players for a lot of money though. I got Saul for ~8M then sold him the following ear for 67M. Got Oliver Torres as his replacement for 15M and after a year I got offer of 30+ (could have easily doubled if I negotiated).

Then again, it might have been that I was bad at the tactical side of the game :p
 
The__Malteser said:
Then again, it might have been that I was bad at the tactical side of the game :p
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I suck at FM, not purchased for a few years so will pick this up.

Seriously though, I am **** but still enjoy playing.

I always play with none league teams and never get promoted so am sure I missing out on a large portion of game features :D

What is the cheapest way to purchase thus far?
 
Gimpymoo said:
I suck at FM, not purchased for a few years so will pick this up.

Seriously though, I am **** but still enjoy playing.

I always play with none league teams and never get promoted so am sure I missing out on a large portion of game features :D

What is the cheapest way to purchase thus far?
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in your case, probably cdkeys.com
 
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