Football in Manchester
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I don't think you seem to get it. They are a company, that can't afford to keep going. Why is it for anyone else to keep them afloat? If they can't manage their finances themselves, then that is their fault.
I wouldn't give £1 to that. I'd much rather give that £1 to a proper charity, not a badly run football club.
Caporegime
[Cas];14987309 said:
Indeed, there is normally always some collection for a charity, often the blind outside Hillsborough, and I always give a couple of quid.
I'd never give to another football club, why should we bail your badly run club out?
Soldato
Supporting your favourite team, whether it's local or not is neither here nor there.
But you cannot say you are a more loyal fan because you go to more games than someone.
The cost and logistics for some people are astronomical to follow a side around the UK.
I cannot follow Swansea City around the UK to every game, I earn enough to scape by and pay my bills and get to the occasional game. But I support them as much as I can.
You cannot claim to be a bigger fan because you can go to more games than me, because you have more disposable income than I do.
All this nonsense aside, it's a shame another club has gone out of business... but it's exactly that - a business.
Soldato
[Cas];14987309 said:
Spot on.
If a club cannot manage its assets enough to stay afloat, then why should it get bailed out?
I understand the save a club mentality when you've supported it for many, many years. But look at Woolworths for example, badly managed with a poor idea for a company in this day an age (arguably)... They're supplying jobs for the local areas their stores are in, but you don't see it's rival or bigger chain stores trying to bail them out.
If a company is leaking money out of it's arse, it has a problem that is detrimental to the business.
A business is £60,000 in debt, it raises the £60,000 but is still managed poorly and doesn't bring in the revenue needed... it goes into debt again - should it be bailed out again? Flatly no it shouldn't, unless it can prove it can be a profitable company that can manage it's assets correctly.
Replace business with football club in the above, and it shouldn't be any different.
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Not that I can see, they've been working to clear this debt and do the honest thing rather than go down the admin route so it's so much about the people in control now against those that created this situation in the first place,
They're doing ok in the league so far and played well against us a few weeks back.
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Using Woolworths as an example is interesting. When they went bust in my opinion what went against them was that they were simpy a town centre version of Asda or Tesco minus the car park and the petrol pumps.
Back in the day the people of Iliveheretown, before the mega superstores arrived used to go into town for their shopping from butcher to baker to candlestick maker etc etc and Woolworths used to be the main store. Of course things changed, competition emerged from out of town supermarkets and eventually the likes of Woolworths could no longer compete.
Now look back at attendances at NL football matches over the years and you'll see how we seem to have arrived at an all time low in these days. However, the Tescos and the Asda's are now the Man Utd's and Liverpool's via Sky TV.
Yes, times change, people change but it isn't necessarily for the better.
£7800 is impressive enough - im surprised it's that high.
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not out of a crowd of almost 43,000 it isn't 
not out of a crowd of almost 43,000 it isn't
It is when there are much more worthy causes to give to, at that match alone.
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I'd have thought that for a club that claims to be the real club in Manchester then the majority of the crowd, from Manchester who are football fans would have their conscience pricked by Hyde's plight.[Cas];14989136 said:
Who knows, Man City could be next if their backers disappear leaving the club with long and expensive contracts to fulfil.
Why would they have their conscience pricked? It's not their fault a club they don't support can't handle their finances. They support THEIR OWN club, the location doesn't mean they automatically have to support other clubs aswell.
And Man City would get the same amount of help as Hyde, as it's the clubs own fault.
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Come on then [Cas], what do you know about Hyde United and their current plight?
Caporegime
Come on Jeff, tell us why a failing business should be bailed out by successful well ran businesses?
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I'm waiting for Cas, but just for you and you won't like this but I don't see football clubs as businesses in the strictest sense, especially those clubs outside the Football League.
No doubt you won't agree, but NL clubs rely on volunteers doing unpaid work to make them tick over. My club would never be able to afford to pay for the things that I do for them with some of the invaluable services I provide.
That said, they do have to run as a business and pay their PAYE and NI contributions like proper businesses.
And for the record, there are very few football clubs in the higher echelons that can be described as "successful well ran businesses"
No doubt you won't agree, but NL clubs rely on volunteers doing unpaid work to make them tick over. My club would never be able to afford to pay for the things that I do for them with some of the invaluable services I provide.
That said, they do have to run as a business and pay their PAYE and NI contributions like proper businesses.
And for the record, there are very few football clubs in the higher echelons that can be described as "successful well ran businesses"
I know very little. But what I do know is, that they cannot afford to function as a business/football club. Therefore, they shouldn't.
I don't see how anything else affects it? If Sheffield United were to be in the same financial situation, I would try and help, if possible - But I wouldn't expect others to, as it was the clubs fault in the first place. How is this not the same for Hyde? Ohh wait, it is.
Who cares about their current plight?
(You and Danny Welbeck I imagine)
I'm pretty certain Cas doesn't
As has been stated in this very thread, they can't keep themselves afloat by either mis management or poor performances on the pitch, so what right do they have to survive?
It's sad to see little clubs go under but it's been happening for years and will keep happening.
I await your next thread when the next mis-managed pile of crap goes under.
And for the record, there are very few football clubs in the higher echelons that can be described as "successful well ran businesses"
There's Arsenal and Man City (according to some league I saw)
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Its not necessarily for the worse either.......
Yes people have TV, but lots of people used to listen to the big games on the radio "back in the day" . Not everyone could get to, or wanted to get to a football game decades ago and the same is true now.
Its also not as if Liverpool and Utd are new teams who haven't been around for a long time, both are simply clubs that have been better run for many decades, not just a few years.
GET OVER IT.
Caporegime
Jeff stop been bitter.
Hyde United are going to go under at this rate, nothing less then they deserve for been ran like ****. Football is a business now, the game has evolved. If you can't keep the club a float, you don't deserve to be running.
Many other football clubs, in a similar position, in lower league and the higher leagues aren't doing too badly, they're ran much better then Hyde.
Personally, I don't give a ****.
Hyde United, have nobody else to blame but themselves, and to ask other football clubs for help is pathetic.
You are continually making yourself out to look a fool, your ranting about been more of a fan and all that gibberish.
Hyde United are going to go under at this rate, nothing less then they deserve for been ran like ****. Football is a business now, the game has evolved. If you can't keep the club a float, you don't deserve to be running.
Many other football clubs, in a similar position, in lower league and the higher leagues aren't doing too badly, they're ran much better then Hyde.
Personally, I don't give a ****.
Hyde United, have nobody else to blame but themselves, and to ask other football clubs for help is pathetic.
You are continually making yourself out to look a fool, your ranting about been more of a fan and all that gibberish.