Football in Manchester

Tummy said:
Maybe, if your club was ran better it wouldn't be in such trouble.
Maybe, if your club played better football, you'd get more fans, and in return a higher turnover.
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Tummy this isn't about *my* club, this is about the sudden demise of Hyde United.

Although I will say that your idea that people will come to watch if a club plays better football when they haven't watched them before to make a judgement is the exact reason why you're a football snob. You're assuming that my club doesn't play football because they aren't in the Champions League, people have this odd preconception that they're going to be watching a bunch of hoofers and cloggers hence the reason why they won't go.

Thanks for underlini ng my whole point, you're a star!
 
Don't think I've ever met anyone that supports a non league club that's comes across as such a complete and utter snob like the OP does. The contempt he's shown for every opinion in this thread makes me believe he's just a stuck up little ****.
 
Pigeon_Killer said:
Don't think I've ever met anyone that supports a non league club that's comes across as such a complete and utter snob like the OP does. The contempt he's shown for every opinion in this thread makes me believe he's just a stuck up little ****.
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Which is how I came to my conclusion.

I have never come across anyone like him when watching Hallam.
 
Jeff Lynne said:
Tummy this isn't about *my* club, this is about the sudden demise of Hyde United.

Although I will say that your idea that people will come to watch if a club plays better football when they haven't watched them before to make a judgement is the exact reason why you're a football snob.
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Nope your right, I've never seen Hyde United play football, But if you'd have read my really long post, you'd know that I've been involved in football on a few levels and I watch a lot of different levels of football, from Champions League games at Old Trafford, to Sheffield Wednesday V Cardiff this weekend, to the odd Leicester game, the odd Hinkley game, and before the fall of Denaby united, my grandad was chairman, and vice chairman for many years so I've seen my fair share of lower league football. My judgement that lower league football is **** has some merit, lets face it, if Hyde United could play like Brazil, they A) wouldn't be down there in the slums of english football and B) probably wouldn't be in such a **** financial situation? you think teams like Manchester United get to the top of english football for the past 20 years by been ran by amateurs off the pitch?

I'm a football snob? No.
I'm a football fan, I watch football at every level, any team and I enjoy it.
You and the attitude of people like you, are what are killing the english game, coming down to watch lower league football to be confronted by someone like you? I'm surprised anyone goes twice.

Jeff Lynne said:
You're assuming that my club doesn't play football because they aren't in the Champions League, people have this odd preconception that they're going to be watching a bunch of hoofers and cloggers hence the reason why they won't go.

Thanks for underlini ng my whole point, you're a star!
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Yes, Yes your team play football, at least they're playing the right sport. Well done them. You're team don't play attractive football, if they did, teams survive in lower league football with "four four ****ing two" and the long ball game, hell, Stoke are doing well in the Premierleague playing that.

Pigeon_Killer said:
Don't think I've ever met anyone that supports a non league club that's comes across as such a complete and utter snob like the OP does. The contempt he's shown for every opinion in this thread makes me believe he's just a stuck up little ****.
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Indeed, it's like talking to a brick wall. He can't seem to get it in to his head, that he's not the only person who slogs it out watching lower league football.
He can't understand that lower league football has a very low standard of football, and he can't understand, the financial trouble that Hyde are in, is probably down to bad management of the "club".

[Cas];14976707 said:
Which is how I came to my conclusion.

I have never come across anyone like him when watching Hallam.
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I've never met anyone like him, I've watched football all over, I've watched sunday league football, to the Montagu cup final, to Denaby United, Sheffield Wednesday ... all the way up to Manchester United.

I've met countless football fans, not just at games but in the pub, on trains, on buses, hell in really random places, but I've never met someone with such a **** attitude towards the game.

He gives football fans a bad name.
 
"you're not a real fan unless you come watch Hyde United play **** football in the soaking rain" "NOT A REAL FAN"

You'll scare more fans off from your club with that attitude. Surprised anyone watches them with someone like you in the stands.
 
The fanatasism about supporting your local club in football is madness. I grew up as a kid watching lower league football, its far easier to take a 5-10 yr old kid to a local game than taking him to the club you maybe support thats miles away and will turn into a day to see a game. Hence I didn't go to West Ham games who my dad supported, but Brentford. Also went to games with free tickets you get going to the community football courses in school holidays run by Brentford, so I went to tonnes of games and loved it.

But as the Premiership came about, i started to watch it on tv and Brentford were having trouble, dropping down leagues and playing much worse football I became interested in better football and enjoyed it more. Thats pretty natural, had Brentford done better more people would have kept going, as they got less interesting to watch more people, shockingly, lost interest.

I think thats not an uncommon story amongst many fans, parents taking them to local games and as they get more interested in football, unsurprisingly the draw to "better" football is inevitable.

Plenty of clubs manage to get people to go see them and raise crowd numbers with special offers and offering free tickets to schools and parents to take their kids to encourage new support. If Hyde couldn't do that, as said, its bad management, if they couldn't improve as a team and they lose support, you need to get cheaper players to keep income/outgoings balanced. You can have a perfectly viable club at almost any level of football, thats how, again unsurprisingly, theres plenty of small clubs making very little money but not going bankrupt.

Likewise theres some huge teams going bankrupt and some small teams making a lot of money. None of this at all is the fault of other clubs, its a business and as such only those involved can possibly be at fault. If there aren't enough fans in the area who want to go to the games, then, thats life. Its a ridiculous suggestion that because there is a team, they must be kept going even if other people have to pay for it.

At the end of the day, say Utd gave them a million quid, the club still doesn't have a way to get enough people in to watch the games to turn a profit and stay in business. how is throwing money down the drain at a , dead club, helpful in any way at all?
 
drunkenmaster said:
The fanatasism about supporting your local club in football is madness. I grew up as a kid watching lower league football, its far easier to take a 5-10 yr old kid to a local game than taking him to the club you maybe support thats miles away and will turn into a day to see a game. Hence I didn't go to West Ham games who my dad supported, but Brentford. Also went to games with free tickets you get going to the community football courses in school holidays run by Brentford, so I went to tonnes of games and loved it.

But as the Premiership came about, i started to watch it on tv and Brentford were having trouble, dropping down leagues and playing much worse football I became interested in better football and enjoyed it more. Thats pretty natural, had Brentford done better more people would have kept going, as they got less interesting to watch more people, shockingly, lost interest.

I think thats not an uncommon story amongst many fans, parents taking them to local games and as they get more interested in football, unsurprisingly the draw to "better" football is inevitable.

Plenty of clubs manage to get people to go see them and raise crowd numbers with special offers and offering free tickets to schools and parents to take their kids to encourage new support. If Hyde couldn't do that, as said, its bad management, if they couldn't improve as a team and they lose support, you need to get cheaper players to keep income/outgoings balanced. You can have a perfectly viable club at almost any level of football, thats how, again unsurprisingly, theres plenty of small clubs making very little money but not going bankrupt.

Likewise theres some huge teams going bankrupt and some small teams making a lot of money. None of this at all is the fault of other clubs, its a business and as such only those involved can possibly be at fault. If there aren't enough fans in the area who want to go to the games, then, thats life. Its a ridiculous suggestion that because there is a team, they must be kept going even if other people have to pay for it.

At the end of the day, say Utd gave them a million quid, the club still doesn't have a way to get enough people in to watch the games to turn a profit and stay in business. how is throwing money down the drain at a , dead club, helpful in any way at all?
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Thanks for posting a considered opinion.

Assuming you live in or around Brentford and choose to watch West Ham now, you have every right, but at least you seem to have given it a go. I can understand why you'd be drawn to a higher class of football. Whats more if you're in that area and you want to watch football for the football's sake then you really are spoiled for choice.

I'd hate to support a NL team inside the M25 because from experience I find that the attendances are that poor because of the sheer number of clubs on the other end of the tube line that suck in all of the support.

Back to Hyde, whereas it's a nice idea and probably commonplace for league and premier sides to give away tickets, you have to remember that gate receipts are the main source of income for non-league clubs and they're giving away revenue. They say clubs like Blackburn have season tickets for less that nl clubs in the area but they can afford to do that because the blow is softened by the massive amount of TV that they get. Besides, the general belief is that giving away tickets rarely sees the recipients return the following week to hand money over the turnstiles.

Unfortunately the only way new faces are attracted to non-league clubs is by havibng a team on the field which is winning and at the top of the league or on a decent cup run, and to get that kind of team costs money to fund better players, who don't come cheap.

Floodlit dreams by Ian Ridley is a great insight into the ups and downs of running a football club, a thoroughly recommended read.
 
Manchester City let them hold a bucket collection at their game last night, they raised just £7800. Just imagine if everyone there had given a pound, they could've raised enough to overturn the winding up order.
 
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