Forgot how bad job searching was :(
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Nothing wrong with that, I prefer employing such people. They tend to do their work/homework well and people listen when they speak. I've got two quantity surveyors working for me that's a bit like that. One more so than the other. One guy is Sri Lankan so there might be a bit of a language barrier although he's totally fine in face to face meetings. So good at his job it blows me away.
It's when you want to move up in the world you need to hobnob and talk the talk.
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Been put on the work programme, only been on it for 2 weeks and already hate it. Seriously considering signing off as it's becoming so much stress, will just have to deal with the financial implications. Considering just becoming self-employed.
Being forced to attend some hospitality event next week which i really don't want to go to. I have no interest in hospitality.
Being forced to attend some hospitality event next week which i really don't want to go to. I have no interest in hospitality.
(I'll put this up for those that need to know - I think you don't need it lol)
Typically because the higher up you go the more you're meeting "todo business" rather than present or discuss details. Modern companies seem to be more detail orientated, with large group company control being deferred downwards to allow the organisation to engage with customers and markets better. However as time is short, the teams do the details and then it's senior discussions that are focused on the stoppers based on the teams highlighting issues etc.
Often when talking to people, I will research the individuals, their background and the wording used in their communications - it provides a way if understand how they think and now you need to structure your communication to fit their way of communicating.
When you talk - you shouldn't disregard everything that makes you - however timing and understand them means you can both listen and deliver what you want to say in a way that seems natural to them.
This applies to job interviews.
Know the person interviewing (linkedin) > know their interest and the issues they will likely have (profile language and role content) > structure your communication and the subjects to give answers to those issues by discussing rather than Q&A > opens the discussion and increases confidence in you.
Naturally you have to have the skills, you have the knowledge etc otherwise you'll sound a right numpty - but sometimes as regulus says, that's not enough.
The more senior the interview - the more it becomes a confidence that you can do the role without becoming a draining dependent.
8th interview... and in the coffee shop got offered the job
So a large, old, global company doing interesting things... should be interesting...
Finally
Tech company or some other product area?
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Finally
It's a tech wing of another product area
It will be a good name on the CV plus the work they're doing is both hip and happening. Will use my experience of mobile and engagement, large company systems, product management and tech (such as parallel/distributed systems).Looking forward to it.
In the mean time I'm keeping my eyes and ears out.. just got off the phone from HMRC and the previous employer failed to update a change of address.. and the overpaid tax!
With it being sunny and being out in the garden all day - not having to worry about being 100% available all the time, means doing the gardening/tip and garage...
Hi guys, just come across a must read article that will hopefully spur job seekers and employed/others in the right direction
http://www.kent.ac.uk/careers/Choosing/career-satisfaction.htm
http://www.kent.ac.uk/careers/Choosing/career-satisfaction.htm
I used to work for an MSP and the environment stated to deteriorate. They were also reliant on one client providing ~70% of the overall profit for the company. When they decided to go on a rolling 1 month contract I started to look elsewhere.
I managed to get a role working as a VMware technical consultant and was over the moon. I wanted to move into the consultancy field for a bit. This was ~oct last year
Well, 2 weeks into that role I was told I would be made redundant due to some sort of colossal hit to the company. Eventually they had to let every single person go. I was let go just before Christmas.
My nan's cancer had also come back about the same time. It was just an awful end/start of last/this year. I wasn't very happy.
But now I've accepted a new role as a Virtualisation Consultant for one of the largest technology companies on the planet. Hopefully this will be a good one
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I managed to get a role working as a VMware technical consultant and was over the moon. I wanted to move into the consultancy field for a bit. This was ~oct last year
Well, 2 weeks into that role I was told I would be made redundant due to some sort of colossal hit to the company. Eventually they had to let every single person go. I was let go just before Christmas.
My nan's cancer had also come back about the same time. It was just an awful end/start of last/this year. I wasn't very happy.
But now I've accepted a new role as a Virtualisation Consultant for one of the largest technology companies on the planet. Hopefully this will be a good one
.Recently been for an interview for a new job as the place I joined wasn't living up to expectations. Had the interview, went well and 2 weeks after, I was told they wanted to offer me the position but it was for £3k less than what I had asked to be put forward for by the recruiter. He stated that there would be little chance of getting any increase in the offer and that they needed an immediate answer as they wanted me to be working on a specific new contract in 4 weeks time.
As I was desperate to leave my current job before my probation finished (next month) and my notice increased to 3 months, I said I'd provisionally accept the offer. They then stated that they would email and post me a copy of the offer letter/contract.
Its now 11 days since they stated that and there's no sign of either. The recruiter is still stating that they've sent the docs and when I've asked for them to email another copy its gone no where.
After spending a good amount of time thinking about the new job, the 2k rise in pay it would get me isn't really going to cover the increase in hours or commuting and I'm going to be away for longer each day meaning extra childcare expenses. The main reason for accepting the job offer was that it'd really give me some more opportunities for interesting work that would set me up better for the future and my current job isn't somewhere I could stay long term.
In the background, I've still got another application going elsewhere with a company that promises to be just as interesting with increased pay/bonus etc. The problem being that i'm unlikely to complete that one before my 6 months probation is up and my notice period jumps. If I don't get that one, then job searching does become harder as 3 months notice can be a big turn off.
I think I've ultimately decided that I would now turn down the latest job offer from the first company but I'm wondering how best to go about this. Last time I talked with the recruiters they were pretty pushy. I'm hoping I can use the companies incompetence as a good reason but has anyone been in this position before?
As I was desperate to leave my current job before my probation finished (next month) and my notice increased to 3 months, I said I'd provisionally accept the offer. They then stated that they would email and post me a copy of the offer letter/contract.
Its now 11 days since they stated that and there's no sign of either. The recruiter is still stating that they've sent the docs and when I've asked for them to email another copy its gone no where.
After spending a good amount of time thinking about the new job, the 2k rise in pay it would get me isn't really going to cover the increase in hours or commuting and I'm going to be away for longer each day meaning extra childcare expenses. The main reason for accepting the job offer was that it'd really give me some more opportunities for interesting work that would set me up better for the future and my current job isn't somewhere I could stay long term.
In the background, I've still got another application going elsewhere with a company that promises to be just as interesting with increased pay/bonus etc. The problem being that i'm unlikely to complete that one before my 6 months probation is up and my notice period jumps. If I don't get that one, then job searching does become harder as 3 months notice can be a big turn off.
I think I've ultimately decided that I would now turn down the latest job offer from the first company but I'm wondering how best to go about this. Last time I talked with the recruiters they were pretty pushy. I'm hoping I can use the companies incompetence as a good reason but has anyone been in this position before?
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Is anyone else on the Work Programme?
They have booked me in for some stupid hospitality event that is completely irrelevent to me, i have no interest in hospitality and have always on specified that i currently want to work in retail. I want to just not go and it's a waste of time but i don't want to be sanctioned! Any suggestions on what to do? It's not that i can't be bothered, just that it's just a waste of time for something i don't want to do!
I've only been on it for two weeks and i already hate it! Seems like a good ploy to get people off the dole. They sign you up for anything and everything, it's obvious they do it just to tick boxes and to get their payout. It's soul destroying. I must be making ~ 8 applications per week for the last 9 months and have had 1 interview...
During my "review" there was apparently nothing wrong with what i was doing and the "advisor" thinks it's the fact i live in a fairly rural area and i don't drive (rely solely on the bus).
I hate being unemployed, really starting to get fed up with the JCP and these archaic schemes to get people sanctioned. Just let me get on with it and stop signing me up for **** that won't help me.
They have booked me in for some stupid hospitality event that is completely irrelevent to me, i have no interest in hospitality and have always on specified that i currently want to work in retail. I want to just not go and it's a waste of time but i don't want to be sanctioned! Any suggestions on what to do? It's not that i can't be bothered, just that it's just a waste of time for something i don't want to do!
I've only been on it for two weeks and i already hate it! Seems like a good ploy to get people off the dole. They sign you up for anything and everything, it's obvious they do it just to tick boxes and to get their payout. It's soul destroying. I must be making ~ 8 applications per week for the last 9 months and have had 1 interview...
During my "review" there was apparently nothing wrong with what i was doing and the "advisor" thinks it's the fact i live in a fairly rural area and i don't drive (rely solely on the bus).
I hate being unemployed, really starting to get fed up with the JCP and these archaic schemes to get people sanctioned. Just let me get on with it and stop signing me up for **** that won't help me.
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I'd rather not be in a job that i hate, i don't want a long term career in that as i'm currently doing a part-time uni course in Software Engineering. I think i'd enjoy a more customer facing role.
By retail i mean fairly low-level jobs: checkouts, shelf stacking etc. I don't think i'm being unreasonable when i say i don't want a job is hospitality. There are plenty of jobs available in Llandudno and Conwy and i've applied for pretty much every one that becomes available. There was some uncertainty with the bus service that i use for the last 6 months, this has now been confirmed and the bus route i use is being withdrawn 1st May.
I don't like making excuses but i can't see that looking too good when applying for jobs, no driving license and relies on a bus service that's disappearing in less than 8 weeks with no sign of another operator to replace Arriva. As said before, withdrawing the bus has been on the table for the last 6 months.
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Well I received a call yesterday for the other role of IT support I applied for and happy to say I was successful and got offered the Job. Really pleased as being out of work since January has been really tough for me.
Time to start building a new career now.
Time to start building a new career now.
I'd rather not be in a job that i hate, i don't want a long term career in that as i'm currently doing a part-time uni course in Software Engineering. I think i'd enjoy a more customer facing role.
By retail i mean fairly low-level jobs: checkouts, shelf stacking etc. I don't think i'm being unreasonable when i say i don't want a job is hospitality. There are plenty of jobs available in Llandudno and Conwy and i've applied for pretty much every one that becomes available. There was some uncertainty with the bus service that i use for the last 6 months, this has now been confirmed and the bus route i use is being withdrawn 1st May.
I don't like making excuses but i can't see that looking too good when applying for jobs, no driving license and relies on a bus service that's disappearing in less than 8 weeks with no sign of another operator to replace Arriva. As said before, withdrawing the bus has been on the table for the last 6 months.
Having a current job and up to date CV improves future employment prospects, with this job you could potentially afford a car/cheap run around until you build up more.
My 'skills' are in IT, when 2008 came round I got made redundant. I took whatever was needed, worked in Wickes delivery fence panels, work in a metal factory stamping out the wholes in metal for what plasterers use on edges...Just gotta do what you've gotta do.
My assumption is you are partially well off, or have some form of security at home otherwise you would need to grab any old job
All the best to you bud. Just remember, you can apply to a job more than once. Why not also pop in to local stores and ask face to face?
Well, after doing 2nd line support for my old employer for over 4 years, I've just been rejected (without even getting an interview) for a 1st line role with them.
Either I really, really suck at application forms (true), or I made some enemies I'm not aware of The stuff they were looking for was very, very basic and can do it in my sleep.
It sucks, you know, that your skill at writing application forms counts as much/ more than your ability to do the job these days. I wonder if my application even got past the HR people to the IT managers. Probably not.
Either I really, really suck at application forms (true), or I made some enemies I'm not aware of
The stuff they were looking for was very, very basic and can do it in my sleep.It sucks, you know, that your skill at writing application forms counts as much/ more than your ability to do the job these days. I wonder if my application even got past the HR people to the IT managers. Probably not.
They don't care about your long-term plans. The Jobcentre role is to get you into employment, and if you refuse then they will sanction you.
Haha, no. The role of the Job Centre is not to get you employment, but to fudge the unemployment statistics as much as possible.
They don't care if you get a job or not. But they do want to get you off JSE as quickly as possible.
If you are good at gaming the system you can claim for years with no prospects of getting a job at all; if you're actually trying to get a job the Job Centre is the least helpful place in the world.
They don't care if you get a job or not. But they do want to get you off JSE as quickly as possible.
If you are good at gaming the system you can claim for years with no prospects of getting a job at all; if you're actually trying to get a job the Job Centre is the least helpful place in the world.
110% agree, really does make me wonder how thick some people are to get sanctioned sometimes.