Former Russian double agent seriously ill in Salisbury.

[StriderX]

Too bad the UK wont actually release the evidence, so the abuse of language to try and smear Russia isn't exactly intelligent.

With the stream of incompetence in government atm, i wouldn't be surprised if it was not purely to hide themselves for a moment from Brexit.

 

[ubersonic]

I don't for one minute think this is the case, but how hilarious would it be if all this mess was just a case of the ex spy eating lunch with his daughter in the park when he broke his "bite down hard if you get captured" molar XD

 

[Roar87]

With Russia? Worldwide annihilation, most likely.

There are options between full on strategic nuclear exchange and nothing

 

[KillBoY_UK]

23 Russian Diplomats to be Expelled.....

 

[StriderX]

Oh no, how very surprising this is to hear... /s

 

[SPG]

Exactly what it was designed to do. God forbid we ever have to do it.

Which is why we have the massive hurdles of checks and balance with member states, because once that beast is released it will take another round of check and balance to bring it back.

 

[Rroff]

With Russia? Worldwide annihilation, most likely.

I wonder how many would actually do anything but talk if something happened where say they had to put men and machines on the line on our behalf or how many would shrink away from it to protect themselves when it came to it.

 

[stockhausen]

I will reluctantly stop using Kaspersky.

Whatever the case in the past, I can no longer feel confident that it will not become a "Tool" for exploitation by the Kremlin in an inevitable future Cyberwar.

 

[Jono8]

As a neutral I have to say you just don't threaten Russia, they earned that right after 20 million+ casualties in ww2 and still winning. I hope things deescalate, there is no scenario that Britain comes out as a winner. Even if Russia assassinated a traitor on british soil, so be it.

There is always a lot of propaganda against Russia. A secretly developed nerve agent that UK managed to identify in a couple of days yet refuses to share evidence, one month before Russian elections in a public place? I doubt it... I'm a bit sad that the cynical brits are blinded by patriotism.

Lol what?

I am not in the least bit patriotic/nationalistic but i would prefer it if other countries didn't attack people in public with chemical weapons in this country.

 

[gettothechopper]

Bit of an own goal by Corbyn? SNP guy had a better response edit - old vince also good response

 

[Panos]

It would be interesting to see what actually happened if NATO was put to the test in a serious escalation.

We will have to result to WMDs. Military we are toasted. We have no tanks, no infantry, no airplanes. And I do not mean Britain only but whole NATO in Europe. Even the German forces are in worse state than UK at this moment.
The only two countries that have substantial armies, Turkey and Greece, are at each others throat, with Turkey only been technically a NATO member these days if you listen to their rhetoric.

The latter ain't going to go to war against Russia ever.

And the former is still trying to capture Afrin in Syria fighting the Kurds the last 9 weeks.
Using the whole 1st Army Corps from Eastern Thrace, except one armored division, the whole of the Free Syrian Army (do you remember those "freedom fighters" at the BBC?), half it's airforce, and with support of 6 warships (frigates & corvettes) and 3 submarines. Yeah all these against some Kurds armed with AK47s and ATMGs up in the mountains. With USA growling at them they shouldn't attack having promised this area to the Kurds (do you remember the heroic kurdish fighters at the BBC reports just a year ago? these are killed today...) and with Turkey unknown planning if they will attack the next Kurdish town where US troops battalions are stationed. (err yes USA has troops in Syria fighting against Assad).


In addition, all this nerve agent issue, is no news elsewhere in Europe..... Maybe RT UK discusses about it but that's it.

 

[ubersonic]

We will have to result to WMDs. Military we are toasted. We have no tanks, no infantry, no airplanes. And I do not mean Britain only but whole NATO in Europe.

The EU alone is more than a match for Russia in a conventional war, never mind the whole of NATO (Russia's has more tank but that wouldn't help them against our air supremacy, just like it didn't help Gaddafi).

 

[Hagar]

Too bad the UK wont actually release the evidence, so the abuse of language to try and smear Russia isn't exactly intelligent.

Who is to say that they have not, I highly doubt that it is only Great Britain who is working on this. However they will not put everything onto the internet for discussion.

 

[RaohNS]

I will reluctantly stop using Kaspersky.

Whatever the case in the past, I can no longer feel confident that it will not become a "Tool" for exploitation by the Kremlin in an inevitable future Cyberwar.

An excellent article on this on CraigMurray.org.uk

Hows it going Stockhausen. Long...long time no see.

You do realise that every phone has a back door for US Intel that can be sequestered by UK GCHQ?

There's more to this Skirpal case than meets the eye. Murray links a fair bit of counter argument to bring the matter back to the centre ground. One thing is certain: Neither the UK or Russia can be trusted with their statements. Evidence should dictate, in its absence... Logic.

Who gained what from Skirpals death?
Russia: Plugged an old leak it knew of and who had likely exhausted a great deal of his intel/knowledge
UK: Worryingly, we don't know. We do know a couple of concerning things. Plausible Skirpal contributed to the Clinton dossier. He could have turned triple agent. Pushes the narrative of desire for war against Russia in an attempt to dissuade and persuade public opinion.

The last such one, is for me, what tips the balance. Until something stronger comes along as push back, its more likely the UK who have more to gain by killing him. At least for now and with the absence of evidence.

 

[NZXT30]

Lol what?

I am not in the least bit patriotic/nationalistic but i would prefer it if other countries didn't attack people in public with chemical weapons in this country.

Nothing has been proven yet and things don't add up.

 

[Andy_82]

The EU alone is more than a match for Russia in a conventional war, never mind the whole of NATO (Russia's has more tank but that wouldn't help them against our air supremacy, just like it didn't help Gaddafi).

most likely the Military forces wouldn't be the problem, the will to do anything from certain members would be the issue most likely

 

[Panos]

The EU alone is more than a match for Russia in a conventional war, never mind the whole of NATO (Russia's has more tank but that wouldn't help them against our air supremacy, just like it didn't help Gaddafi).

Yeah try to achieve air supremacy over Eastern Europe with Tornado, Grippen, F15s and F16s.....
Russia is not Iraq nor Libya.

 

[Andy_82]

An excellent article on this on CraigMurray.org.uk

Hows it going Stockhausen. Long...long time no see.

You do realise that every phone has a back door for US Intel that can be sequestered by UK GCHQ?

There's more to this Skirpal case than meets the eye. Murray links a fair bit of counter argument to bring the matter back to the centre ground. One thing is certain: Neither the UK or Russia can be trusted with their statements. Evidence should dictate, in its absence... Logic.

Who gained what from Skirpals death?
Russia: Plugged an old leak it knew of and who had likely exhausted a great deal of his intel/knowledge
UK: Worryingly, we don't know. We do know a couple of concerning things. Plausible Skirpal contributed to the Clinton dossier. He could have turned triple agent. Pushes the narrative of desire for war against Russia in an attempt to dissuade and persuade public opinion.

The last such one, is for me, what tips the balance. Until something stronger comes along as push back, its more likely the UK who have more to gain by killing him. At least for now and with the absence of evidence.

Do you have the link? Russia does have a lot to gain, essentially nationalism is the few things that binds the state together, especially at a time when the Russian economy is struggling.

 

[Hagar]

The last such one, is for me, what tips the balance. Until something stronger comes along as push back, its more likely the UK who have more to gain by killing him. At least for now and with the absence of evidence.

Assuming for one moment that it was in the UK interest to bump him off, it would have been a lot simpler not to do it in public with a family member, doctor and policeman as collateral also potentially dozens more. It would have been a far cozier affair.

 

[ubersonic]

Yeah try to achieve air supremacy over Eastern Europe with Tornadoe, Grippen, F15s and F16s.....

Not a difficult job when they have to down Su-27, MiG-29, MiG-23, etc (AKA the very things they were designed to down).

Unless Russia can pump out 300 Su-57 overnight they would be at a huge numbers disadvantage in the air.