Former Russian double agent seriously ill in Salisbury.

Nasher said:
This isn't about hurting Putin's election. We all know it's not a real election, so why bother? Putin is going to win no matter what, that's a fact.

No one else has motivation and the west does not bump off like that. When was the last time a British or American defector was murdered? Is Ed Snowdon still alive?
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Shhh. Don't use logic.
 
Panos said:
And on that, just one part of Syria. How often didn't we hear about the heroic Kurds who are fighting ISIS in Syria, equipped and trained by USA.
However over the last 9 weeks total silence from the BBC, for these same people getting slaughtered by the Turkish army which invaded Syria not allowing the Kurds to build their autonomous region which promised and has the blessing of US, Syria and Russia?
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Aye, couldnt agree more with that actually, I follow Macer Gifford on FB and Funker530, those two sources tell me plenty about whats going on in northern syria.
 
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jpaul said:
If you are listening to Boris on r4 today, he was unable to provide any reasonable response on legitimacy for Macron's (representatives) comments below,
(May has not offered a reply on such comments - so we have to rely on other government representatives)
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Seems reasonable to me, with how ****** Theresa May has been over Brexit and being almost belligerent about it, i wouldn't be rushing to help her either.

It'd give her more credibility if other nations (admittedly our ally these past 100-200 years no less) believed her.
 
Panos said:
And on that, just one part of Syria. How often didn't we hear about the heroic Kurds who are fighting ISIS in Syria, equipped and trained by USA.
However over the last 9 weeks total silence from the BBC, for these same people getting slaughtered by the Turkish army which invaded Syria not allowing the Kurds to build their autonomous region which promised and has the blessing of US, Syria and Russia?

Maybe because Turkey is NATO "ally", a friend of Britain (May's words last year from Turkey when signed the £200mn deal for new airplane)?
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Ummmm

Pro-Kurdish demonstrators close London and Manchester stations
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43363703

Kurdish protesters close Humber Bridge
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-43373787

Afrin: Turkish forces 'encircle' Syrian Kurdish city
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-43384120


Turkey targets Kurdish forces in Afrin: The short, medium and long story
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-42704542
 
Was about to say... also Turkey doesn't have the blessing of the US, Syria etc.. they're not happy at all about they're actions. Pro Syrian govt militia even joined forces with the Kurds to fight Turkey and the US is unhappy about it.

This is goingba bit off topic.. the worrying thing about Syria is the simultaneous direct involvement in the US and Russia on opposite sides. We've already had Western forces bomb Russian troops a few weeks ago (well techincally Russian contractors) and incidents like that are pretty risky - even if Putin can't officially complain because his troops aren't officially fighting.
 
its intresting that the "russian contractor" thing is being tested in Syria

In the Ukraine it was pretty obvious who's army they were from, but it was a new tactic that we didnt seem to know how to respond to it
In Syria however when they attacked a position backed by the US they got bombed, not sure Russia will be so bold on that one again? (its a risky game however)

Good to see France, Trump (at last, although not worth much imho) and most of Labour backing our position
Just seems to be Corbyn on the wrong side now, a mistake I think as he has just confirmed suspicions that he is weak on defence
 
I would give Russia the benefit of doubt if we did'nt know:

- Alexander Litvinenko did'nt happen and the investigation was'nt hampered by Russia
- The Russian presidents and lots of the cabinet where/are ex KGB
- Said government have fixed elections, jailed political opponents force them into exile etc and similar tactics have been used to bring assets into state control one way or another
- Syria (blocking UN moves to send in peace keepers when it was "just" protesters getting gunned down/ then rolling in years later pretending to be salvours), Ukraine/Crimea
- various public addresses towards "traitors" that they are not safe/kick the bucket/ will go an get them

Knowing the above and what we know about this nerve agent is hard to argue the Russians didn't have some involvement and that its all propaganda from the BBC/May/World.

To me this was a loud and clear message to the rest of the "traitors"
 
Secret_Window said:
It's bad enough that our government can't even govern properly, especially with Brexit. How are we supposed to believe they can be responsible over tension with Russia, when everything else is a mess? I don't know what to believe. But even if you go back to last year, and look at the terrorist attacks on our own soil, which some experts were saying we already had Intel on but had failed to deal with, then it really makes you wonder how we can ever feel safe and secure and in trust of this government. Not to say Labour are any better, but just that the whole thing is a shambles.
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I agree, the whole thing starts to get very concerning quite quickly
 
Secret_Window said:
It's bad enough that our government can't even govern properly, especially with Brexit. How are we supposed to believe they can be responsible over tension with Russia, when everything else is a mess? I don't know what to believe. But even if you go back to last year, and look at the terrorist attacks on our own soil, which some experts were saying we already had Intel on but had failed to deal with, then it really makes you wonder how we can ever feel safe and secure and in trust of this government. Not to say Labour are any better, but just that the whole thing is a shambles.
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Spot on.

We've seen for months how bad they are at handling just a simple and relatively friendly situation, then you have something like this and these same people have to deal with it.
 
gettothechopper said:
its intresting that the "russian contractor" thing is being tested in Syria

In the Ukraine it was pretty obvious who's army they were from, but it was a new tactic that we didnt seem to know how to respond to it
In Syria however when they attacked a position backed by the US they got bombed, not sure Russia will be so bold on that one again? (its a risky game however)

Good to see France, Trump (at last, although not worth much imho) and most of Labour backing our position
Just seems to be Corbyn on the wrong side now, a mistake I think as he has just confirmed suspicions that he is weak on defence
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Perhaps Russia will take a moment during one of the Pentagon's or Langley's clandestine operations, and accidentally ruin it for revenge, though they enjoy political strife more than physical violence lately.

The strange thing is, you'd imagine that GRU or Spetznas do similar ops, but you never seem to hear about it like at all, are they just inconsequential or are they good at hiding it?
 
antijoke said:
Spot on.

We've seen for months how bad they are at handling just a simple and relatively friendly situation, then you have something like this and these same people have to deal with it.
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By simple and relatively friendly situation, you can't seriously mean brexit?
 
dl8860 said:
By simple and relatively friendly situation, you can't seriously mean brexit?
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Well yes? We haven't shot up Brussels in anger have we? It's relatively friendly compared to most of history and it is also really simple, with how little the EU can budge and how much the UK is attempting to budge them.
 
StriderX said:
Perhaps Russia will take a moment during one of the Pentagon's or Langley's clandestine operations, and accidentally ruin it for revenge, though they enjoy political strife more than physical violence lately.

The strange thing is, you'd imagine that GRU or Spetznas do similar ops, but you never seem to hear about it like at all, are they just inconsequential or are they good at hiding it?
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I would say that Russia is increadibly suppresive of reporting and information about where they go and what they do, even to the point of hiding deaths of soldiers (even from their families)
Americans are driving round in strikers with big flags on and constantly getting spotted in the background of photos of Kurdish units (or on the Strava heatmap :D)
You just dont get that kind of stuff out there with the russians it seems
 
Not sure i'd call negotiating the exit of the worlds 5th largest economy from something which has filtered into just about every facet of our life for the past 40 years as "Simple".
 
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