Former Russian double agent seriously ill in Salisbury.

Not saying they haven't handled it poorly or not, but calling it simple is misguided. And I wouldn't draw any correlation between handling brexit and handling this Russia situation myself.
 
Not saying they haven't handled it poorly or not, but calling it simple is misguided. And I wouldn't draw any correlation between handling brexit and handling this Russia situation myself.

Why? They can't negotiate for toffee, what makes you think they can negotiate with nutters in Russia?
 
Not sure i'd call negotiating the exit of the worlds 5th largest economy from something which has filtered into just about every facet of our life for the past 40 years as "Simple".

Well no that part isn't simple, but needlessly and uselessly making it more complex by insisting the bigger party change to suit the leaving smaller party, is why May is an idiot that is all bluster and language. The logistics is complex, the choice is not.​
 

Well no that part isn't simple, but needlessly and uselessly making it more complex by insisting the bigger party change to suit the leaving smaller party, is why May is an idiot that is all bluster and language. The logistics is complex, the choice is not.​

I'd rather that than she rolls over and admits defeat, not rolling over in the past has lead to some positive results.......
 
its intresting that the "russian contractor" thing is being tested in Syria

In the Ukraine it was pretty obvious who's army they were from, but it was a new tactic that we didnt seem to know how to respond to it
In Syria however when they attacked a position backed by the US they got bombed, not sure Russia will be so bold on that one again? (its a risky game however)

Good to see France, Trump (at last, although not worth much imho) and most of Labour backing our position
Just seems to be Corbyn on the wrong side now, a mistake I think as he has just confirmed suspicions that he is weak on defence

Ehmm Russia doesn't have "contractors" in Syria. Is invited to provide military assistance by the Syrian government.
American and British troops sorry "advisors" inside Syria though, are not invited by Syria. They are invaders supporting actively the rebels against the legitimate government of this country. A government which is recognized by the UN.
So who's the warmonger and the culprit here? Russia?

France actually said what Corbyn said also. We need more evidence, and standard procedures been followed. Aka give to Russians the sample to investigate also.

It's bad enough that our government can't even govern properly, especially with Brexit. How are we supposed to believe they can be responsible over tension with Russia, when everything else is a mess? I don't know what to believe. But even if you go back to last year, and look at the terrorist attacks on our own soil, which some experts were saying we already had Intel on but had failed to deal with, then it really makes you wonder how we can ever feel safe and secure and in trust of this government. Not to say Labour are any better, but just that the whole thing is a shambles.

Spot on mate.

However do you remember what was going on last year, and the political split inside the Torries over Brexit, that miraculously unified them before the elections allowing May to gain votes over this mess?

Fast forward last three weeks, they were split beyond repair over Brexit, and surprisingly in unity again.

I bet, we going to have elections in couple of months, because May wants a bigger majority, and seems she cannot work with the DUP over Brexit, while needs to unify her party. And she will capitalise on the Russian rhetoric to hold her seat.

Yep I am cynic, like all Greeks actually. And is something they used to teach at school, on the social and political course (no opt outs). Always question the motives of the government, to hold them to account. Which is the base of real democracy. Otherwise you end up with oligarchy.
 
Ehmm Russia doesn't have "contractors" in Syria. Is invited to provide military assistance by the Syrian government.

Along side its official military presence it also has private military companies operating there - i.e. supposedly the Wagner group for instance.
 
I would say that Russia is increadibly suppresive of reporting and information about where they go and what they do, even to the point of hiding deaths of soldiers (even from their families)
Americans are driving round in strikers with big flags on and constantly getting spotted in the background of photos of Kurdish units (or on the Strava heatmap :D)
You just dont get that kind of stuff out there with the russians it seems

Well the Russians don't play by the rules. They think they are being sneaky and no one knows what they are up to, but to the rest of the world it's pretty obvious. Like their soldiers which invaded Ukraine.

They should never have been given a veto in the UN. Because all they do is abuse it to further their own interests. While ignoring international laws themselves.

People might question things more if they hadn't been poisoning defectors abroad since Stalin's days...
 
While the media and our politicians are quick to blame Russia for all of this, is there actually any proof they did this ?

You're not allowed to question such things when the government has requested solidarity. You can ask these questions when the current decision makers are all shunted up into the House of Lords or dead or both.
 
Yeah indeed, forgot them. :/

Which is why they've put the strongly worded statement out about retaliation against US forces if they endanger their troops as they aren't happy about that recent incident but can't easily do anything about it (at least nothing direct).
 
Ehmm Russia doesn't have "contractors" in Syria. Is invited to provide military assistance by the Syrian government.
American and British troops sorry "advisors" inside Syria though, are not invited by Syria. They are invaders supporting actively the rebels against the legitimate government of this country. A government which is recognized by the UN.
So who's the warmonger and the culprit here? Russia?

France actually said what Corbyn said also. We need more evidence, and standard procedures been followed. Aka give to Russians the sample to investigate also.

Russian Contractors in Syria
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ractors-killed-explosion-base-syria-violence/
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-abandoned-by-putin-mother-says-idUSKCN1G0206
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/13/world/europe/russia-syria-dead.html

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It has stressed repeatedly since last Wednesday that no members of the Russian armed forces were killed, and that any Russians fighting alongside the Syrians were mercenaries.

“We only handle the data that concerns Russian forces servicemen,” Dmitri S. Peskov, the Kremlin spokesman, said at a news briefing on Tuesday. “We don’t have data about other Russians who could be in Syria.”

The Kremlin said much the same about the nature of the forces in Crimea and eastern Ukraine in 2014, however, claiming they were volunteers and men on vacation, only to admit later that they were regular soldiers."


“Everything leads us to believe that responsibility is in fact attributable to Russia,” Macron told reporters in western France.
“I will announce in the coming days the measures that we intend to take,” Macron said.

Where has Corbyn admitted it was Russia was responsible? even his own party has left him isolated this morning
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43414185
 
France actually said what Corbyn said also
They seem to have modulated there position as of ~10:45 - May presented addtional facts in Macron call ?

France "agrees with the United Kingdom" on Moscow's responsibility for the poisoning of a former Russian spy in Britain, the French presidency said today in a statement. President Emmanuel Macron, who spoke again this morning with British Prime Minister Theresa May, believes like the latter that "there is no other plausible explanation," he added.
"Since the beginning of the week, the United Kingdom has kept France closely informed of the evidence gathered by British investigators and evidence of Russia's responsibility in the attack." France agrees with the UK that there is no other plausible explanation and again expresses its solidarity with his ally, "said the presidency. Mr Macron and Mrs May "agreed on the importance of European and transatlantic unity in the response to this event" and "will remain in close contact over the next few days".

La France "partage le constat du Royaume-Uni" sur la responsabilité de Moscou dans l'empoisonnement d'un ex-espion russe en Grande-Bretagne, a déclaré aujourd'hui la présidence française dans un communiqué. Le président Emmanuel Macron, qui s'est de nouveau entretenu ce matin avec la Première ministre britannique Theresa May, estime comme cette dernière qu'il "n'y a pas d'autre explication plausible", est-il ajouté.
"Depuis le début de la semaine, le Royaume-Uni a tenu la France étroitement informée des indices recueillis par les enquêteurs britanniques et des éléments démontrant la responsabilité de la Russie dans l'attaque. La France partage le constat du Royaume-Uni qu'il n'y a pas d'autre explication plausible et exprime à nouveau sa solidarité à l'égard de son alliée", a précisé la présidence. M. Macron et Mme May "sont convenus de l'importance de l'unité européenne et transatlantique dans la réponse à cet événement" et "resteront en contact étroit au cours des prochains jours".
 
Hmm, well if that's the case then, i suppose my cynicism is tempered a bit. Will see how far she is now willing to take this, unfortunately it damages London regardless of what she now does.
 
Hmm, well if that's the case then, i suppose my cynicism is tempered a bit. Will see how far she is now willing to take this, unfortunately it damages London regardless of what she now does.

London will bounce back, and if future sanctions are aimed at curbing Russian investment it might be beneficial in the long term not to have a capital, or financial sector that's quite so reliant on Russian money. In real terms though I'm not sure what we can actually do that would make Putin think twice, historically attacking the wealth of those closest to him has had an impact before but how much attention does he really pay to his contemporaries?
 
As recently as 2016 Dr Robin Black, Head of the Detection Laboratory at the UK’s only chemical weapons facility at Porton Down, a former colleague of Dr David Kelly, published in an extremely prestigious scientific journal that the evidence for the existence of Novichoks was scant and their composition unknown.

In recent years, there has been much speculation that a fourth generation of nerve agents, ‘Novichoks’ (newcomer), was developed in Russia, beginning in the 1970s as part of the ‘Foliant’ programme, with the aim of finding agents that would compromise defensive countermeasures. Information on these compounds has been sparse in the public domain, mostly originating from a dissident Russian military chemist, Vil Mirzayanov. No independent confirmation of the structures or the properties of such compounds has been published. (Black, 2016)

Robin Black. (2016) Development, Historical Use and Properties of Chemical Warfare Agents. Royal Society of Chemistry

Yet now, the British Government is claiming to be able instantly to identify a substance which its only biological weapons research centre has never seen before and was unsure of its existence. Worse, it claims to be able not only to identify it, but to pinpoint its origin. Given Dr Black’s publication, it is plain that claim cannot be true.

The world’s international chemical weapons experts share Dr Black’s opinion. The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) is a UN body based in the Hague. In 2013 this was the report of its Scientific Advisory Board, which included US, French, German and Russian government representatives and on which Dr Black was the UK representative:

[The SAB] emphasised that the definition of toxic chemicals in the Convention would cover all potential candidate chemicals that might be utilised as chemical weapons. Regarding new toxic chemicals not listed in the Annex on Chemicals but which may nevertheless pose a risk to the Convention, the SAB makes reference to “Novichoks”. The name “Novichok” is used in a publication of a former Soviet scientist who reported investigating a new class of nerve agents suitable for use as binary chemical weapons. The SAB states that it has insufficient information to comment on the existence or properties of “Novichoks”. (OPCW, 2013)

OPCW: Report of the Scientific Advisory Board on developments in science and technology for the Third Review Conference 27 March 2013

Indeed the OPCW was so sceptical of the viability of “novichoks” that it decided – with US and UK agreement – not to add them nor their alleged precursors to its banned list. In short, the scientific community broadly accepts Mirzayanov was working on “novichoks” but doubts he succeeded.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/the-novichok-story-is-indeed-another-iraqi-wmd-scam/


That would certainly explain why the formula was allowed to be published in a book readily available to anyone. "Very difficult to manufacture" does not equate to "impossible". If there is no actual evidence the formula actually worked, then there is no danger in allowing the book to still remain on sale.
 
London will bounce back, and if future sanctions are aimed at curbing Russian investment it might be beneficial in the long term not to have a capital, or financial sector that's quite so reliant on Russian money. In real terms though I'm not sure what we can actually do that would make Putin think twice, historically attacking the wealth of those closest to him has had an impact before but how much attention does he really pay to his contemporaries?

It's such a good chance to end London's darker side, but its so unfortunate that it's so profitable, I don't believe May has the level of leadership required to actually admit whats really going on in London and to stop it.

It's part of the only reason it's still wealthy.
 
UK to invest 48 million pounds in new chemical weapons defence centre

“Today I can announce..."

Williamson said in a speech.

Yes Gavin, today you finally can. Good boy for sticking to the schedule.

Makes me so proud of their quick-thinking. And their ability to rapidly coordinate a power move against Russia's position in the UN Security Council, and put an end to the insurrectional rumblings of reforming the UN to make it fairer for more countries. No. We'll reform it our way instead.
 
I wouldnt get too excited

Porton Down is currently under a huge redevelopment already, to move people and facilities over from Fort Halstead in Kent which is closing

Id imagine its just the Tories claiming credit now for something that was already happening anyway

Anyway upping funding for Research and Defence against something which a foreign country has recently been splashing around Salisbury town centre is fine by me
 
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Soldiers to be offered anthrax injections. I'm guessing that is what was in the parcels recently sent to parliament etc since I don't see any other reason for that. Or are expecting copy-cat like attacks, using easier to make substances.
 
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