Former Russian double agent seriously ill in Salisbury.

Nice of Putin to provide a military-weakened United Kingdom with the perfect excuse to play more dirty with limited means. To still be a great threat despite less ships and planes and missiles. Great chess-move. He solved the problem for us in an eye-blink. I hope he's rewarded handsomely.
 
Nasher said:
Soldiers to be offered anthrax injections.
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Figures, there's no way to combat the nerve agents but the government knows 99% of voters don't know the difference between Novichok/Anthrax/Ricin/Sarin/etc so they can waste money on doing pointless stuff and all the uneducated voters will see is them doing something positive in response.
 
Panos said:
Ehmm Russia doesn't have "contractors" in Syria. Is invited to provide military assistance by the Syrian government.
American and British troops sorry "advisors" inside Syria though, are not invited by Syria. They are invaders supporting actively the rebels against the legitimate government of this country. A government which is recognized by the UN.
So who's the warmonger and the culprit here? Russia?

France actually said what Corbyn said also. We need more evidence, and standard procedures been followed. Aka give to Russians the sample to investigate also.



Spot on mate.

However do you remember what was going on last year, and the political split inside the Torries over Brexit, that miraculously unified them before the elections allowing May to gain votes over this mess?

Fast forward last three weeks, they were split beyond repair over Brexit, and surprisingly in unity again.

I bet, we going to have elections in couple of months, because May wants a bigger majority, and seems she cannot work with the DUP over Brexit, while needs to unify her party. And she will capitalise on the Russian rhetoric to hold her seat.

Yep I am cynic, like all Greeks actually. And is something they used to teach at school, on the social and political course (no opt outs). Always question the motives of the government, to hold them to account. Which is the base of real democracy. Otherwise you end up with oligarchy.
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This is why for many reasons I am suspicious. The general view I am also seeing from the public on this is that they also feel this is suspicious a's well, and the unity in parliament is different from that of the public.
 
A brief recap of events for loyal non-traitorous UK citizens


March 1, 2006

As we predicted two years ago, the emerging U.S. antiballistic missile defense system has provoked a direct Russian response. Missile defense appears to be a major part of Russia's decision to retain multiple-warhead ICBMs and to develop new weapons capabilities. In November, Solovtsov said that new warheads for silo-based Topol-M missiles (NATO designation SS-27) and mobile Topol-Mls (SS-X-27) are undergoing testing. One type of warhead reportedly involved a maneuverable reentry vehicle known as “Igla” that changes altitude and direction to evade missile defenses. Indeed, at the December commissioning ceremony of the fifth Topol-M ICBM regiment at Tatishchevo, Solovtsov emphasized that the weapon “is capable of penetrating any missile defense system.” (Unidentified U.S. officials confirmed that the November 1, 2005, Topol-M test-launch had a shorter than usual boost phase, and that after being delivered into orbit, the reentry vehicle flew to a lower trajectory, where it was able to maneuver.)

Robert S. Norris - Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC)

Hans M. Kristensen - director Nuclear Information Project at the Federation of American Scientists

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.2968/062002018
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Not content with his country's belligerent answer to the U.S. antiballistic missile system, and there being no motive for anyone to send belligerent Russia a message about what counter they have and are willing to use, Putin belligerently orders the assassination of Alexander Litvinenko with polonium in November, 2006.


March 1, 2018

Russia has developed a new array of nuclear weapons that are invincible, according to President Vladimir Putin.

Mr Putin made the claims as he laid out his key policies for a fourth presidential term, ahead of an election he is expected to win in 17 days' time.

The weapons he boasted of included a cruise missile that he said could "reach anywhere in the world".

He said of the West: "They need to take account of a new reality and understand ... [this]... is not a bluff."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43239331
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Not content with achieving success in the development of the invincible missiles, and belligerent deployment of some of them, and there being no motive for anyone to send Russia a message about what counter they have and are willing to use, Putin belligerently orders the assassination of Sergei Skripal with a novichok nerve agent, three days later on March 4.

We will continue to update you on events as they occur. God save the Queen.
 
You want to calm down a tad?

Cause that's dangerously close to what i would call "Not fine", I'd be more than happy if this silly mess was over with in 1991, but apparently it isn't.

Every option is terrible other than waiting for the man to die, but you know if you want the alternative, he'll give it to us and us to them.
 
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Danny75 said:
A brief recap of events for loyal non-traitorous UK citizens

We will continue to update you on events as they occur. God save the Queen.
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Before you start firing the nukes. Could you do me the favour to buy the house I have for sale? I am selling it due to Brexit, but since nukes will fall before then I want to leave asap. After all I haven't given any oath to this country, and your mess doesn't bother me.

It's value is 280,000, I can give it to you for 240,000. 5 bed detached, with garden, two car garage, four car driveway, a small stream separates you with the house to the right, and on the back just Lincolnshire wheat fields.
Build 2007, and I was the first in. 3 bedrooms have not been used, neither the living room or the dining room, due to divorce. The garage has a red Toyota MRS that comes with the house, if you wish to keep it.
And has good internet. 70-84mbit fibre depending the day.
 
After PMQ's, Corbyn was allowed to see the evidence and later put this on Facebook

The attack in Salisbury was an appalling act of violence, which we condemn in the strongest terms.

Nerve agents are abominable if used in war. It is utterly reckless for them to be used in a civilian environment.

The Prime Minister said on Monday and again today that Russia was either directly responsible or it was culpable because it lost control of this nerve agent.

The Russian authorities must be held to account on the basis of the evidence and our response must be both decisive and proportionate.

The attack in Britain has concerned our allies in the European Union, Nato and in the United Nations, and their words of solidarity have strengthened our position diplomatically.

We have a duty to speak out against the abuse of human rights by Putin’s Government and its support, both at home and abroad, and pay tribute to the many campaigners in Russia for human rights. And we must do more to address the dangers posed by the Russian state’s relationship with unofficial mafia-like groups and corrupt oligarchs.

We need to expose the flows of ill-gotten cash between the Russian state and billionaires who became stupendously rich by looting their country and subsequently using London to protect their wealth. We welcome the Prime Minister’s clear commitment today to support the Magnitsky amendments to sanction human rights abusers, as we have long been calling for.

Britain should build an international consensus to strengthen the chemical weapons convention, and ensure that such a horrific attack never happens again.
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Panos said:
Before you start firing the nukes. Could you do me the favour to buy the house I have for sale? I am selling it due to Brexit, but since nukes will fall before then I want to leave asap. After all I haven't given any oath to this country, and your mess doesn't bother me.

It's value is 280,000, I can give it to you for 240,000. 5 bed detached, with garden, two car garage, four car driveway, a small stream separates you with the house to the right, and on the back just Lincolnshire wheat fields.
Build 2007, and I was the first in. 3 bedrooms have not been used, neither the living room or the dining room, due to divorce. The garage has a red Toyota MRS that comes with the house, if you wish to keep it.
And has good internet. 70-84mbit fibre depending the day.
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I was sold until you mentioned the red Toyota. I will not wear red or drive red. Not in this current climate anyway. ;)
 
Panos said:
Ehmm Russia doesn't have "contractors" in Syria. Is invited to provide military assistance by the Syrian government.
American and British troops sorry "advisors" inside Syria though, are not invited by Syria. They are invaders supporting actively the rebels against the legitimate government of this country. A government which is recognized by the UN.
So who's the warmonger and the culprit here? Russia?


Yep I am cynic, like all Greeks actually. And is something they used to teach at school, on the social and political course (no opt outs). Always question the motives of the government, to hold them to account. Which is the base of real democracy. Otherwise you end up with oligarchy.
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So who were the group of russians that got owned by the Americans a little while back?

You talk about "real democracy" yet you appear to be in defense of a tyrannical regime that kills its protesting civilians and exports terrorism in the form of support for hezbollah.
 
ubersonic said:
Figures, there's no way to combat the nerve agents but the government knows 99% of voters don't know the difference between Novichok/Anthrax/Ricin/Sarin/etc so they can waste money on doing pointless stuff and all the uneducated voters will see is them doing something positive in response.
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Yea there are ways to combat nerve agents, there is a pre-treatment (not sure all the details of this are public). Also atropine once you know you have been exposed.
 
KillBoY_UK said:
looks like Germany, France and the US has chimed in officially now

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43415271
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We, the leaders of France, Germany, the United States and the United Kingdom, abhor the attack that took place against Sergei and Yulia Skripal in Salisbury, UK, on 4 March 2018. A British police officer who was also exposed in the attack remains seriously ill, and the lives of many innocent British citizens have been threatened. We express our sympathies to them all, and our admiration for the UK police and emergency services for their courageous response.

This use of a military-grade nerve agent, of a type developed by Russia, constitutes the first offensive use of a nerve agent in Europe since the Second World War. It is an assault on UK sovereignty and any such use by a State party is a clear violation of the Chemical Weapons Convention and a breach of international law. It threatens the security of us all.

The United Kingdom briefed thoroughly its allies that it was highly likely that Russia was responsible for the attack. We share the UK assessment that there is no plausible alternative explanation, and note that Russia´s failure to address the legitimate request by the UK government further underlines its responsibility. We call on Russia to address all questions related to the attack in Salisbury. Russia should in particular provide full and complete disclosure of the Novichok programme to the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW).

Our concerns are also heightened against the background of a pattern of earlier irresponsible Russian behaviour. We call on Russia to live up to its responsibilities as a member of the UN Security Council to uphold international peace and security.
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