Former Russian double agent seriously ill in Salisbury.

It reflects badly on you because rather than think hmm no thread let me take responsibility to make one, you have got on your soapbox and blamed everyone else.

If everyone took your attitude we would have 0 thread creation.
 
It reflects badly on you because rather than think hmm no thread let me take responsibility to make one, rather than lets get on my soapbox and blame everyone else.

If everyone took your attitude we would have 0 thread creation.

Yeah right, I took a look and thought this forum obviously isn't interested in the event.
 
Yes I know it is, but I think it says a lot about the current feelings to Russia as to the fact there is no thread, if it was America I bet there would be one, I chose this thread because it goes along with the narrative.

Was there a thread about the LA wild fires in December?

As people have said, there are fires/disasters all around the world all the time and there isnt a new thread about each one. I don't think the fact that there is not a thread about the Russian Mall fire says a lot about anything.
 
because LOLRussia let's just rip into me because I raised a point that there's no thread.
Russia had nothing to do with it, people were laughing at you because you spent ten minutes berating other forums users because nobody had bothered to spend fifteen seconds to create a thread.

Can you really not see the hypocrisy/irony?

And you haven't even posted in your thread after I spent all that time making it for you /cry.
 
I'm not saying I can't be bothered to make a thread, it's an observation, I came here expecting to see a thread, I haven't.

How the **** do you think that reflects on me I have no idea.

Because you're getting rather angry over something you were able to do yourself in the time it took for you to rant about it.

And as the other poster has pointed out there is now a thread and you've not posted in it.
 
(can't we have posts 992 onwards transferred to Mall fire thread ?)

slightly more mainstream media (channel4) comments on Salisbury
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/long-read-does-the-uks-case-against-russia-stack-up

Based on the chemistry alone, Professor Hay believes that Novichoks could “probably” have been developed by countries other than just Russia.
“A good synthetic chemist could do this work,” he said. “Look at the structures. It would take time and it requires talent, but there are lots of very competent and good synthetic chemists around.”

“If you were a troublemaker wanting to give it in the neck for Russia, this would be something to do, because people’s assumptions would be that it is Russia.”
Meanwhile, Dr Cragg remains slightly more doubtful about the possibility. “We don’t know if other countries have prepared Novichoks,” he said. “They may have done so in order to test antidotes in animal studies or investigated ways to decompose the compounds. But I would be surprised if they have.”

“I would have thought that what would have happened is that chemists there would look at the structures and set about making them – tiny quantities, that’s all you would need – and then characterise them and put the information in a chemical database for future reference.”
Dr Gurthie added: “If you’re a laboratory – whether that’s in the UK, the Netherlands or Switzerland – and you’re seeing hints of what the structures of these things are, you think ‘well let’s make a quick sample of this and see if our detectors pick it up’. That’s going to be your natural reaction.”

albeit, c4, producing a documentary called “Russian Spy Assassins: The Salisbury Attack,” is click-bait
 
Just an FYI because secret dimplomacy is half of all the diplomacy, and people must see through the propaganda machines today and start putting dots together... We do not live in the 20th century after all (or earlier), and information is there accessible while we are more educated. (at least some).

UK & USA have diplomatically and economically ramped up their attacks on Russia and China last few weeks.

Lets see what happens to the other side of the planet. Yesteday (Monday 26 March) was the scheduled* launch of the yuan-backed oil futures in Shanghai, negotiated between Russia and China mutually promoting of oil futures in their national currencies. 62 million barrerls of oil was traded yesterday alone in yuan.
Iran announced two weeks ago that follows through trading in yuan with China, bypassing the embargo imposed by the "West" to the financial "mechanics" on trading oil.

*(since Oct 2017 when both countries agreed to stop using USD on their between trade)

That on the back of US demanding last week from China to buy LNG from USA, if they want the tarrifs removed....

When more countries follow through trading in yuan and dumping the dollar, there is going to be a severe crisis to the USD, which USA depends on to run tens of trillions of debt backed only on oil trading with USD.
And some reminder.... When both Sadam & Gaddafi announded that they will be trading in Euro instead of USD, they were both swiftly destroyed by NATO.
 
When more countries follow through trading in yuan and dumping the dollar, there is going to be a severe crisis to the USD, which USA depends on to run tens of trillions of debt backed only on oil trading with USD.
And some reminder.... When both Sadam & Gaddafi announded that they will be trading in Euro instead of USD, they were both swiftly destroyed by NATO.

Yea nothing to do with the genocide and other crimes against humanity, harbouring terrorists etc, but don't worry about facts, you just keep reading globalresearch and infowars.
 
Plenty of crimes against humanity, terrorist harboring elsewhere and yet we're happy to actually arm them, instead of invade them. So checkmate, warmonger.

I'm sure you'll be surprised in a few years when somehow we totally didn't know about the Kurdish being destroyed, nah not happening huh?
 
Right but it is all about having to put on a different FX deal sometimes when buying some commodities from some counties? Ok then...
 
Right but it is all about having to put on a different FX deal sometimes when buying some commodities from some counties? Ok then...

For some it's about power/domination/control. Being the boss of the world, always. Buying and selling oil in dollars has been and is apparently a big part of what props up the currency, according to some financial commentators. They like to kill several birds with one stone, so it won't be the only reason. The statement "When both Sadam & Gaddafi announded that they will be trading in Euro instead of USD, they were both swiftly destroyed by NATO" is accurate. That is what happened, the timing of it. It does not claim they were invaded only because of it.

I also remember something about a pan-African gold currency Libya was planning, just before somehow getting on the bad side of US/UK/France establishments. Just re-discovered a pretty good write-up of it:


One of the most bizarre features of Hillary Clinton’s war to destroy Qaddafi was the fact that the US-backed “rebels” in Benghazi, in the oil-rich eastern part of Libya, in the midst of battle, well before it was at all clear if they would topple the Qaddafi regime, declared they had created a Western-style central bank, “in exile.”

In the very first weeks of the rebellion, the rebel leaders declared that they had created a central bank to replace Gadhafi’s state-owned monetary authority. The rebel council, in addition to creating their own oil company to sell the oil they captured announced: “Designation of the Central Bank of Benghazi as a monetary authority competent in monetary policies in Libya and appointment of a Governor to the Central Bank of Libya, with a temporary headquarters in Benghazi.”

Commenting on the odd decision, before the outcome of battle was even decided, to create a western-style central bank to replace Qaddafi’s sovereign national bank that was issuing gold-backed dinars, Robert Wenzel in the Economic Policy Journal, remarked, “I have never before heard of a central bank being created in just a matter of weeks out of a popular uprising. This suggests we have a bit more than a rag tag bunch of rebels running around and that there are some pretty sophisticated influences.”

It becomes clear now in light of the Clinton-Blumenthal emails that those “pretty sophisticated influences” were tied to Wall Street and the City of London. The person brought in by Washington to lead the rebels in March 2011, Khalifa Hifter, had spent the previous twenty years of his life in suburban Virginia, not far from CIA headquarters, after a break with Libya as a leading military commander of Qaddafi.

The risk to the future of the US dollar as world reserve currency, if Qaddafi had been allowed to proceed–together with Egypt, Tunisia and other Arab OPEC and African Union members– to introduce oil sales for gold not dollars, would clearly have been the financial equivalent of a Tsunami.

https://journal-neo.org/2016/03/17/hillary-emails-gold-dinars-and-arab-springs/
 
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For some it's about power/domination/control. Being the boss of the world, always. Buying and selling oil in dollars has been and is apparently a big part of what props up the currency, according to some financial commentators. They like to kill several birds with one stone, so it won't be the only reason. The statement "When both Sadam & Gaddafi announded that they will be trading in Euro instead of USD, they were both swiftly destroyed by NATO" is accurate. That is what happened, the timing of it. It does not claim they were invaded only because of it.

What relevance does it have to the thread then?
 
Plenty of crimes against humanity, terrorist harboring elsewhere and yet we're happy to actually arm them, instead of invade them. So checkmate, warmonger.

Wow you're hilarious, whats your point? Because we can't regime change every country that needs it, we should leave fascist dictators in power then.

I'm sure you'll be surprised in a few years when somehow we totally didn't know about the Kurdish being destroyed, nah not happening huh?

That wasn't very coherent at all, are you on about Turkey invading Syria and trying to remove the Kurds from Afrin? I'm well aware of the Kurds plight thanks very much.
 
What relevance does it have to the thread then?

Be better if Panos answers that, but as a reader it feels like a nudge to think about motive/s and the bigger picture. The so-called "Grand Chessboard" as Zbigniew Brzezinski put it (title of a book of his*). I've seen quite a few posts in this thread along the lines of "Nobody other than Russia has a motive for this." Which is pretty blinkered.


* As the twentieth century draws to a close, the United States has emerged as the world's only superpower: no other nation possesses comparable military and economic power or has interests that bestride the globe. Yet the critical question facing America remains unanswered: What should be the nation's global strategy for maintaining its exceptional position in the world?

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/694906.The_Grand_Chessboard

20 years on, the situation is different. China and Russia are coming in hot economically (the former, although the latter, spurred on by sanctions etc, has embarked on a self-sufficiency project that could leave it standing in better stead than just about anyone else) and militarily (both). Wanted genuine discussion about a "multi-polar" world but it hasn't happened. At least not by agreement. It's happening by effect.

TLDR; the US and by extension its allies like the UK and Israel, have very powerful motives for ramping up pressure on China and Russia, and seeking to isolate and weaken them. And it's obviously not an easy thing like to overcome Iraq or Libya fairly quickly. If there was deception in those, and there was, expect a lot more v Russia/China. The "Fusion Doctrine" all over the headlines today will be part of this.
 
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