Former Russian double agent seriously ill in Salisbury.

This is very good. Explains about some science/why they may both recover/things which could have been done to lessen the effects/etc... and also that they’re not as lethal as people assume...

http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-a...sting-why-didn-t-the-skripals-die-on-the-spot

No idea if it’s been posted up until now. Haven’t read all of this garbage thread, if I’m honest.

One thing I didn't see mentioned in the article is that some of these types of agent are assembled from a binary/precursor form at or just before deployment which doesn't always result in an optimal final product which can have a big impact on its lethality.
 
right, so a vet makes a medical decision but somehow "the Tories" can be blamed :D
They didnt send a vet in until the Russians asked what is happening with the pets some 30 days later. This sort of animal neglect never happened under Labour. :D

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...aths-salisbury-nerve-agent-peta-a8292251.html
An animal rights group has blamed British authorities for the death of three of Sergei Skripal’s pets at the poisoned former double agent’s home.

The government confirmed the long-haired black Persian cat had been found alive but “in a distressed state” at the house in Salisbury.

Found extremely malnourished, officials said the cat was taken to the Porton Down chemical weapons laboratory for testing but it was in so much pain that a vet decided to put it down.

A pair of guinea pigs were sealed into the property and later died.

“These deaths are another tragedy of this horrific situation, and this time, the British authorities are evidently to blame,” said Elisa Allen, director of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (Peta).

“No one should have left these animals sealed inside the house any more than they would have done children – clearly, they should have been rescued.”

She added the group was “calling for an investigation to be carried out in order to determine how this was allowed to happen and ensure that procedures are put in place to prevent any such loss of lives – which were valued by the Skripals and the animals themselves – from ever happening again.”
Yeah I mean why wouldnt you send a vet to a possible grisly death for the sake of a couple of guinea pigs...
And a cat.
 
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They didnt send a vet in until the Russians asked what is happening with the pets some 30 days later. This sort of animal neglect never happened under Labour. :D

OK so it was the police commander's decisions with regards to the pets that would have been under Labour, apparently...

or did some of the shadow cabinet raise the issue of checking on the pets previously?
 
You are critical of Labour so obviously you must be pro-Tory.
No it is the lack of a sense of humour that did it. Even Labour are critical of Labour.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...05/conservatives-lack-sense-humor-study-finds
I have always thought that conservatives have a much less developed sense of humor than liberals. While it is easy to list a large number of liberal-leaning comedians, for instance, it is hard to come up with more than a handful of conservative ones (and even they, like Dennis Miller, are better characterized as libertarians). This, I think, is because it is difficult to come across as hilarious when you make fun of the poor, minorities and other obvious targets of conservative scorn. Attacking the rich and powerful, on the other hand, is an all time favorite and explains the success of the likes of Jon Stewart.
 
Viktoria Skripal, cousin...

"I will stick with a simple theory that they ate something wrong at the pub, as well as the option that Yulia brought this with her on the plane from someone she knew."

So she either carried a nerve agent with her from Russia, or she had food poisoning. Errrr. OK?
 
This whole thing stinks, one minute will not recover next minute right as rain. I think some apologies are due from certain people ? Will the truth ever come out i wonder.
 
She lives in Russia, I would be saying the same as well :)
She shouln't say anything if she's not sure of the situation and she's not under threat. Unless you want to be branded deceitful or imbecilic, which is the impression most of the Western world has of Russia right now.

This whole thing stinks, one minute will not recover next minute right as rain. I think some apologies are due from certain people ? Will the truth ever come out i wonder.
Do you have to view 8K video of them twitching uncontrollably and personally inspect samples under the microscope before you believe they were attacked with a nerve agent? We only have the word of respective authorities and that has to be good enough. I for one trust our authorities more than theirs.

It is completely feasible that originally they were not expected to recover, and luckily were able to at a future date. We don't have many field studies of this nerve agent to go on. Russia made sure they had plausible deniability by using this nerve agent, which may be impossible to definitively trace back to its manufacturer. Even if it is traced back to Russia, they'll simply say it was stolen from them. That's why they're confident enough to offer a cooperative investigation and are sewing the seeds of doubt wherever possible.
 
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