Game Activation Uproar

Ulfhedjinn said:
They're just going to say "well, that won't affect me because I don't reformat my hard disk every week like some geeks around here." Which is silly because, what if this sort of activation became the normal way of installing a game? You'd have to make sure all your games were uninstalled properly when you do need to upgrade your motherboard etc. and God forbid you have 5+ activated games on your hard disk in the event of a hardware failure.

Yup, that's my entire point. This measure makes the official copy of the game technically inferior to a pirate copy since a pirate won't have to deal with any such measures, and since this measure won't stop piracy anyway then why put it in? To bug people who buy it? :confused:
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It does stop it to an extent at least, you certainly won't be lending your copy to a mate for example.

Reselling the copy is hard now cos of activation hence more money for 2kgames, that is one area where they loose out.

By having 2 hardware config limit, they've screwed ppl who buy second hand copies 2 weeks later when everyone has finsihed the game.

sid
 
NightSt@lk3r said:
then buy the game install it use a crack then you dont have to worry about activations or disc checks and you get the piece of mind that have helped support the developers.
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But that's illegal, so I can't win really can I.
 
Teki187 said:
I could download Bioshock full crack, with fixed exe last week on Friday. But with games that deserve the right for my money, i bought it.

With regards to peoples comments on software anti-piracy its useless. Within hours of a release you can download anything. They dont do anything other then waste money and time. Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit cracked, fixed auto online geninue check with 60 product keys is easy to find on google now and people said vista would be hard to pirate.

Best thing developers can do is produce high quality goods to make us buy it and stop releasing Vanguard games.
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The first bit isn't true, but thats moot, your point holds for the 360.
 
NightSt@lk3r said:
you could just accept that these activation mesures are in place and no ammount of complaining is gonna change that and just live with it.
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That's what everyone is going to have to do if they want to do it all legit, but I am just worried that doing so will encourage more developers to impliment such measures. :(

If it actually stopped piracy then fine, but it doesn't.

Like I said, I wish more developers and publishers would follow examples like Oblivion and Company Of Heroes.
 
Ulfhedjinn said:
But that's illegal, so I can't win really can I.
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For the sake of it yeah but has there been a test case where any one has been convincted? not that i know of.

Just because eula says so it isn't the law.

I'd hate to imagine the outcry when someone who has bought the game is taken to court for cracking.

sid
 
Another point that hasn't really been addressed is Steam's claim/advertising that now you can take your games anywhere - go round to your mates simply log into your account download the games in your account you want to play and off you go .

Except now you have to remember where you have done this before and whether its 2 times or not or did you mate really uninstal that copy of bioshock he asked you to show him or is it still sitting in his steam folder and registered on the securom database?

And then you have to start phoning home and asking your mum or gran to start uninstalling that 3rd installation so you can put it on your machine at uni or dash home to do it yourself.

Inconvenience for someone who's paid for a product and absolutely no skin off the pirates nose with his install anywhere-anytime version.
 
Ulfhedjinn said:
Yeah I don't think the PC version of Bioshock was available until yesterday, but the 360 version has been.
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AFAIK, there is no confirmed pc release, its all fake stuff.

So in that context, it has worked.

sid
 
sid said:
For the sake of it yeah but has there been a test case where any one has been convincted? not that i know of.

Just because eula says so it isn't the law.

I'd hate to imagine the outcry when someone who has bought the game is taken to court for cracking.

sid
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It's actually against the law to use a cracked .exe because it's a modification of the code etc. and is an infringement on the copyright, not to mention it's bypassing the copy-protection. :(

Silly laws, silly methods. The whole system needs an overhaul.
 
Nullvoid said:
I think I did get the gist of your post, I just didn't give the most illuminating of replies :)
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:p

Nullvoid said:
I don't see how there can be sufficient evidence in a scenario such as this. There's no way the producers of something like securom can say "implenting our product will achieve a reduction of x% in the number of pirated copies/an extra x% extra sales due to piracy prevention".
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I agree entirely. But there must be some 'evidence' of a benefit to the games/software company, otherwise why would they pay to implement it? After all, any costs incurred in implementing the anti-piracy features will just reduce profit unless it results in more sales. It is a very simple concept and I doubt it is something that any self respecting company would overlook.

How strong or convincing the 'evidence' is, I don't know. But I would suspect that it isn't easy to convince companies to part with money and so there must be something to back up the argument that these anti-piracy features do increase sales. But I agree with you that proving an xx% increase is almost impossible.

I actually find the approach in this link quite refreshing...

clapton is god said:
http://forums.galciv2.com/index.aspx?forumid=161&aid=106741&c=1
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I would be willing to put money on there being a pirated version available to the public within a week of release.

I have some money set aside to go out and buy this game this week, however this news concerns me and i won't be buying it until i know the full story. If it is indeed true and you can't activate the game more than twice i doubt i'll buy the game for a while mainly because my PC can't handle it to its full potential.

If an upgrade to meet the system requirements this game asks for is going to take away one of my activations i don't see the point in buying it till my system can run it at the very highest settings, thus getting the full experience (in my eyes).

Its all rumors at present, so nothing is set in stone. However, until it is set in stone, i won't be buying bioshock (shame :().
 
barf0r said:
Exactly.

A good game encourages people to buy.
Draconian copy protection schemes discourage people to buy.
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So is bioshock not both then......what do people do, Publishers are in a no win situation if thats the rule

Here have this Game X, its the best game you will ever play ever OMG!!
BTW we have 1 little bit of copy protection that you will never bother you,
Still want it?

Get over it people, play the game for christ sake and stop crying over nothing, some people need a reality check if this is all they have to moan about in life
 
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Streeteh said:
I would be willing to put money on there being a pirated version available to the public within a week of release.

I have some money set aside to go out and buy this game this week, however this news concerns me and i won't be buying it until i know the full story. If it is indeed true and you can't activate the game more than twice i doubt i'll buy the game for a while mainly because my PC can't handle it to its full potential.

If an upgrade to meet the system requirements this game asks for is going to take away one of my activations i don't see the point in buying it till my system can run it at the very highest settings, thus getting the full experience (in my eyes).

Its all rumors at present, so nothing is set in stone. However, until it is set in stone, i won't be buying bioshock (shame :().
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I think when you install the game, it gets one of the activations back.

So you can't have the game concurrently installed on more than 2 separate pcs. You'd have to uninstall one to get it to activate on the third.

sid
 
Securom's response to someone who has ran out of activations:

"Hello.

Thank you for your email.

You´ve activated your game too often. Please contact 2K Games regarding this issue.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask.


Best regards,

SecuROM Support Team
SecuROM on the web: http://www.securom.com
or via e-mail: [email protected]"

:confused:
 
gizmoy2k said:
Here have this Game X, its the best game you will ever play ever OMG!!
BTW we have 1 little bit of copy protection that you will never bother you,
Still want it?
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Depends on how you look at it though, your view is only one view of it.

It might well bother people, it could be a real technical issue for some of us. Some people might also find the idea of a company treating them like a pirate out of the box a little distasteful and put them off buying games from that company in the future.

All because they put one little limit in the code that doesn't even affect pirates in the slightest.

So why do it in the first place? That's my question.
 
Steam is the answer, but with all things you can pirate HL2, so it wouldnt stop piracy.

Only issue i have with steam is M&M dark messiah was £35 on Steam, baught the collecters edition for £15 from game.

As many other people have said, Bioshock is WAY overpriced on steam then in shops.

As with Bioshock being up for download last week Friday, you could trust me on that.
 
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