I agree, let's not drag this off topic, it's just pretty clear the point the quality of GOT dropped and it's when they weren't having their hand held by GRRM - yes, they got a fantastic series made - my point was simply if the earlier seasons were as poor as the later ones, there would be no later seasons. EDIT: Not worth it.I'm not going to retread this conversation for the hundredth time. But I will point out that without David Benioff and D. B. Weiss there would have been no Game of Thrones and all those seasons that you loved also happened because of them. Referring to the people who created that TV phenomenon as "Dumb & Dumber" is a special kind of stupid.