Gang of 12 'allegedly' rape British Citizen in Cyprus

Threepwood · 9 Jan 2020 at 21:59

dowie said:
you've then jumped in to seemingly make the same claim and now apparently that was just an explanation... well it's rather pointless.

again turning on and off your capability of understanding, thumbs up!

dowie · 9 Jan 2020 at 22:00

Threepwood said:
again turning on and off your capability of understanding, thumbs up!

No just asking that people be specific about what they're claiming re: what I've posted... by *hint* using the quote function and asking for clarification if they don't follow or countering it if they believe it is wrong.

And likewise, to back up what they've claimed... which I've quoted a few times and requested...

It would save on posts for one thing... yet you're coming in with additional posts/quotations adding nothing.

Threepwood · 9 Jan 2020 at 22:03

@dowie Sorry, are you hurt again that you've been quoted on a forum?

You have also been asked to back up your claims, to which it seems at least one person has watched the videos you are talking about, and now retracted their original opinion.

dowie · 9 Jan 2020 at 22:04

Threepwood said:
@dowie Sorry, are you hurt again that you've been quoted on a forum?

You have also been asked to back up your claims, to which it seems at least one person has watched the videos you are talking about, and now retracted their original opinion.

I've not got an issue with being quoted, I'd rather it was with something substantial so as not to further clutter the thread with pointless back and forth nonsense... if you've got something to add re: actually discussing the case itself or what I've posted etc.. then go ahead.

Mr Jack · 9 Jan 2020 at 22:05

@dowie, perhaps you missed it

Mr Jack said:
Oh, and you've got it wrong - again - I said that the Cypriot Police confirmed that there was no clip demonstrating consensual group sex (confirmed here by the Defence lawyer). I've also claimed that the only confirmed clip is the one I described. Please post a source if you have another?

Now, stop dodging, name a single validated, salient, fact that hasn't been mentioned in the UK press.

Threepwood · 9 Jan 2020 at 22:05

dowie said:
I've not got an issue with being quoted, I'd rather it was with something substantial so as not to further clutter the thread with pointless back and forth nonsense... if you've got something to add re: actually discussing the case itself or what I've posted etc.. then go ahead.

Already have done, you just don't seem to understand!

dowie · 9 Jan 2020 at 22:08

Mr Jack said:
@dowie, perhaps you missed it

Again see previous posts - see the claim you made and please provide a source. You're again conflating with something rather different.

re the claim I objected to:

Mr Jack said:
There is a clip that shows her having consensual sex with one boy before telling him to get his friends out of the room. That's the only real clip.

dowie said:
That is false, not the existence of that clip but your assertion that it is the only real clip. In fact that clip doesn’t even appear to be circulated.

See in bold above - you've made a claim, I've asked you about it a few times now and you can't back it up.

Threepwood said:
Already have done, you just don't seem to understand!

Thats a shame - perhaps try again - make it really simple if you like and, most importantly, use the quote function if it is re: something I've posted... saves you from making some straw man argument.

Mr Jack · 9 Jan 2020 at 22:19

dowie said:
See in bold above - you've made a claim, I've asked you about it a few times now and you can't back it up.

Amazing that you say this while repeatedly avoiding defending your own claim.

Do you dispute that the clip I refer to is validated? Do you dispute that the Cypriot Police say they have no group sex clips? What other clip do you think is real? Can you point to where it is validated? I have seen no other clip validated by any reputable source. That's the basis for my claim.

Threepwood · 9 Jan 2020 at 22:23

dowie said:
straw man argument.

blah blah blah clinging to beloved straw man retort blah blah blah while refusing to break out of own circular argument and move forward blah blah blah

Dis86 · 9 Jan 2020 at 22:24

Mr Jack said:
Amazing that you say this while repeatedly avoiding defending your own claim.

Do you dispute that the clip I refer to is validated? Do you dispute that the Cypriot Police say they have no group sex clips? What other clip do you think is real? Can you point to where it is validated? I have seen no other clip validated by any reputable source. That's the basis for my claim.

Mr Jack said:
Prove what? The claim of the boys and the Cypriot Police is that they filmed her without her consent. They then shared a clip online. That's illegal and immoral. What are you asking me to prove?

The one that you were seemingly referring to there...

dowie · 9 Jan 2020 at 22:26

Mr Jack said:
Amazing that you say this while repeatedly avoiding defending your own claim.

This isn't too hard - if you're going to make reference to something I've claimed then use the quote function.

Do you dispute that the clip I refer to is validated? Do you dispute that the Cypriot Police say they have no group sex clips? What other clip do you think is real? Can you point to where it is validated? I have seen no other clip validated by any reputable source. That's the basis for my claim.

I'm disputing exactly what I quoted... see the previous post where I used the quote function, highlighted the pertinent bit in bold and asked you to back it up...

Instead you avoid answering, try to divert and Threepwood jumps in with yet more mindless noise.

Mr Jack · 9 Jan 2020 at 22:40

dowie said:
Instead you avoid answering, try to divert and Threepwood jumps in with yet more mindless noise.

You literally quoted my answer. What part is unclear to you?

You continue to avoid backing up your claim so I'm forced to conclude you were simply blowing hot air and there is no pertinent information you know of outside the UK press.

Threepwood · 9 Jan 2020 at 22:42

dowie said:
see the previous post where I used the quote function, highlighted the pertinent bit in bold and asked you to back it up...

Ask yourself, what is his context to

"There is a clip that shows her having consensual sex with one boy before telling him to get his friends out of the room. That's the only real clip."

Could it [the context] be that that is the only validated clip that shows her having consensual sex?

I mean, is he not bringing that up in the first place because you are claiming there are other videos that show group consensual sex?

Yet the defence laywer is saying there are none?

dowie said:
and Threepwood jumps in with yet more mindless noise.

oooo ad hominem, such cutes.

dowie · 9 Jan 2020 at 22:48

Mr Jack said:
You literally quoted my answer. What part is unclear to you?

You continue to avoid backing up your claim so I'm forced to conclude you were simply blowing hot air and there is no pertinent information you know of outside the UK press.

The part where you didn't back it up... nothing you've posted supports your claim that there is only one video clip pertaining to this incident and that the only clip is one where she tells someone to shut the door etc..

The_Abyss · 9 Jan 2020 at 22:54

Next... dowie and Mr Jack argue about whose Dad is bigger than the other.

Threepwood · 9 Jan 2020 at 22:55

dowie said:
The part where you didn't back it up... nothing you've posted supports your claim that there is only one video clip pertaining to this incident and that the only clip is one where she tells someone to shut the door etc..

^^ sounds like you are just moving goal posts after not understanding the context to begin with.

Mr Jack said:
There is a clip that shows her having consensual sex with one boy before telling him to get his friends out of the room. That's the only real clip.

dowie said:
That is false, not the existence of that clip but your assertion that it is the only real clip. In fact that clip doesn’t even appear to be circulated.

Context? And where is your proof?

Mr Jack · 9 Jan 2020 at 22:56

dowie said:
The part where you didn't back it up... nothing you've posted supports your claim that there is only one video clip pertaining to this incident and that the only clip is one where she tells someone to shut the door etc..

Yes. Because that's the only clip that had been validated anywhere I've seen while multiple other clips have been shown to be false. What part of the reasoning that only one clip has been validated despite masses and masses of coverage and therefore there is only one real clip is hard for you to understand? It's also easy for you to prove me wrong; simply post a credible source talking about another clip.

More importantly, the presence or absence of any other clips is utterly irrelevant unless they materially contradict her version of events. This is why I concentrate on the more relevant point that the consensual group sex claims are contradicted by the Cypriot Police.

Mr Jack · 9 Jan 2020 at 23:00

dowie said:
That is false, not the existence of that clip but your assertion that it is the only real clip. In fact that clip doesn’t even appear to be circulated.

Should have picked up on this earlier. You again show your ignorance of the case. This clip was widely circulated early on in events, appearing on major porn sites. The reason you can't find it now is because it was taken down since it's (1) revenge porn, and (2) related to an ongoing rape case, so every site remotely concerned about legality or morality took it down.

dowie · 9 Jan 2020 at 23:06

Mr Jack said:
Yes. Because that's the only clip that had been validated anywhere I've seen while multiple other clips have been shown to be false. What part of the reasoning that only one clip has been validated despite masses and masses of coverage and therefore there is only one real clip is hard for you to understand? It's also easy for you to prove me wrong; simply post a credible source talking about another clip.

You've not backed this up... again. It isn't the claim that is hard to understand thanks, I understand your claim.

Mr Jack said:
Should have picked up on this earlier. You again show your ignorance of the case. This clip was widely circulated early on in events, appearing on major porn sites. The reason you can't find it now is because it was taken down since it's (1) revenge porn, and (2) related to an ongoing rape case, so every site remotely concerned about legality or morality took it down.

Actually I believe this is false - AFAIK the clip you refer to hasn't be released/circulated rather other clips have. The clip you're referring to has only been described but beyond the police/prosecutors hasn't been seen.

Though again the claim that there is only one video clip isn't something you've been able to back up... namely because it isn't true.

Threepwood · 9 Jan 2020 at 23:14

^^ smells like argumentum ad ignorantiam to me?

Anyway, he never said that there is only one clip ever in the world full stop, known or unknown, don't you get that? You seem to be pushing that but.... he wasn't.