Geforce GTX1180/2080 Speculation thread

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 10 Aug 2018 at 12:26

Wow,so the 106 series which would have been the 60 series card is now a GTX1070!!

For example:

GP106 was the GTX1060
GM206 was the GTX960
GK106 was the GTX660

Thanks AMD.

TNA · 10 Aug 2018 at 12:36

LoadsaMoney said:
so only card worth going to from a 1080 Ti, is the new 3K Titan, lol lol lol

I can hear everyone ripping their wallets open right now!

More like the owners thread will be barren like the Titan V with a handful of people. Lol.

Not sure I buy that leak, I could have just as easily made that up and sent it to him. If it was from a source that was reliable, that would be another thing.

Disappointed with the 2070 performance if true. Was expecting a little bit more, maybe they overclock well. But let’s see what the pricing will be like.

Squid Vicious · 10 Aug 2018 at 12:42

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Wow,so the 106 series which would have been the 60 series card is now a GTX1070!!

I was going to say that 17% seemed like a reasonable improvement but looking at some 1070 vs 980 benchmarks seems like it was a much bigger improvement (around 25%) last gen.

melmac · 10 Aug 2018 at 12:56

Squid Vicious said:
I was going to say that 17% seemed like a reasonable improvement but looking at some 1070 vs 980 benchmarks seems like it was a much bigger improvement (around 25%) last gen.

Between Maxwell and Pascal there was basically a double die shrink. We went from 28nm to 16nm, skipping 20nm.

melmac · 10 Aug 2018 at 12:59

TNA said:
Disappointed with the 2070 performance if true. Was expecting a little bit more, maybe they overclock well. But let’s see what the pricing will be like.

See my reply to Squid Vicious above. I wouldn't be expecting a performance jump like there was between Maxwell and Pascal. Mainly expecting there to be much better power efficiency.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 10 Aug 2018 at 13:01

TNA said:
More like the owners thread will be barren like the Titan V with a handful of people. Lol.

Not sure I buy that leak, I could have just as easily made that up and sent it to him. If it was from a source that was reliable, that would be another thing.

Disappointed with the 2070 performance if true. Was expecting a little bit more, maybe they overclock well. But let’s see what the pricing will be like.

The RTX2070 if using a TU106 GPU should have been named the RTX2060. Its more the case with no competition Nvidia has pushed the cards up another level.

Squid Vicious said:
I was going to say that 17% seemed like a reasonable improvement but looking at some 1070 vs 980 benchmarks seems like it was a much bigger improvement (around 25%) last gen.

For a GTX1060 to a RTX2060 it would be huge,accept it seems the RTX2060 is now the RTX2070!

So the GTX1050TI equivalent would be the RTX2060 now.

ltron · 10 Aug 2018 at 13:09

This seems almost certainly legit as it's precisely what I'd expect from an Nvidia with no competition for the reasons outlined in the video. It's very disappointing and the information is far too specific and comprehensive for a random troll to have thought up online.

The low end 106 class chip is used in the upper midrange 2070, the 2080 is a cut down 104 midrange chip and the RTX technology doesn't even come to the 2060 and lower! Nvidia, even for you, you have excelled yourselves!

TNA · 10 Aug 2018 at 13:13

melmac said:
See my reply to Squid Vicious above. I wouldn't be expecting a performance jump like there was between Maxwell and Pascal. Mainly expecting there to be much better power efficiency.

But why can they not do the same as they did from Kepler to Maxwell which was both on 28nm? This time they even have the improvement of a updated 16nm process they are calling 12nm.

Truth is we don’t know. Turing could be a very good architecture. Either way I hope we get a 1170/2070 that is minimum 8gb and within 5-10% of a 1080Ti.

Imagine the upgraded 1070 having less ram. Not very good. That said, not like there have been any games the past few years that need the more ram anyway. Until the new consoles come out or a PC exclusive game, 8gb will probably be just fine.

ltron said:
This seems almost certainly legit as it's precisely what I'd expect from an Nvidia with no competition for the reasons outlined in the video. It's very disappointing and the information is far too specific and comprehensive for a random troll to have thought up online.

The low end 106 class chip is used in the upper midrange 2070, the 2080 is a cut down 104 midrange chip and the RTX technology doesn't even come to the 2060 and lower! Nvidia, even for you, you have excelled yourselves!

We will find out soon, SIGGRAPH is around the corner now. But the info could easily be made up, nothing in the info makes me think it could not be made up personally.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 10 Aug 2018 at 13:17

ltron said:
This seems almost certainly legit as it's precisely what I'd expect from an Nvidia with no competition for the reasons outlined in the video. It's very disappointing and the information is far too specific and comprehensive for a random troll to have thought up online.

The low end 106 class chip is used in the upper midrange 2070, the 2080 is a cut down 104 midrange chip and the RTX technology doesn't even come to the 2060 and lower! Nvidia, even for you, you have excelled yourselves!

But it also means if this leak is true,AMD won't be able to compete in anyway with their current range,so Nvidia still wins by default.

Cooper · 10 Aug 2018 at 13:24

PS5, Xbox Two, here I come.

I'm done with PC gaming and its abusive cartel like supply chain, The next gen of consoles in 2020 will be at least as powerful as a PC of today equipped with an 8 core CPU & 1080Ti, and that's good enough for me, given the amount of time I actually play games nowadays i.e not very much.

When my current PC goes kaput, I'll just get a cheap laptop for the non gaming side.

Davedree · 10 Aug 2018 at 13:24

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
But it also means if this leak is true,AMD won't be able to compete in anyway with their current range,so Nvidia still wins by default.

I'd say this is good, because otherwise AMd would continue to stagnate the market like they have been. Whilst selling big expensive dies, and then another year late to the party to try and bring pascal performance at cheaper to produce manufacturing costs.

melmac · 10 Aug 2018 at 13:28

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Wow,so the 106 series which would have been the 60 series card is now a GTX1070!!

For example:

GP106 was the GTX1060
GM206 was the GTX960
GK106 was the GTX660

Thanks AMD.

If true, It's a bit late complaining about it now. The big bait and switch happened with Kepler. Where the x60 cards became the x80/x70.

Blaming AMD? haha, yes good one. Nobody is putting a gun to consumers head and saying you must buy this card. It's a luxury item. It's not like anybody who has a Pascal card actually even needs to upgrade, apart from maybe a few 4K gamers. Until Nvidia/AMD see that the market won't pay the prices then things will continue like this. All that would happen if AMD were more competitive is that they would also be charging high prices. Didn't Lisa Su already say that the days of AMD cards been the budget brand are over. And you just have to look at the prices of Polaris and Vega to see that.

LoadsaMoney · 10 Aug 2018 at 13:35

MM is a filling

subbytna · 10 Aug 2018 at 13:40

opethdisciple said:
What's this RTX thing?

Watch the video. Worth a watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms7HQ7rckpA

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 10 Aug 2018 at 13:41

melmac said:
If true, It's a bit late complaining about it now. The big bait and switch happened with Kepler. Where the x60 cards became the x80/x70.

Blaming AMD? haha, yes good one. Nobody is putting a gun to consumers head and saying you must buy this card. It's a luxury item. It's not like anybody who has a Pascal card actually even needs to upgrade, apart from maybe a few 4K gamers. Until Nvidia/AMD see that the market won't pay the prices then things will continue like this. All that would happen if AMD were more competitive is that they would also be charging high prices. Didn't Lisa Su already say that the days of AMD cards been the budget brand are over. And you just have to look at the prices of Polaris and Vega to see that.

Raja,basically said AMD had moved away from gaming graphics and this is what we are seeing. In some way I get why they might want to do it,but it doesn't help us.

Even with Kepler,once AMD had the R9 290 series out,you had the GTX780 and GTX780TI(which had the large chips) which were priced much better than a Titan(which should have been the 80/80TI series card). Vega is very expensive to make and uses a large chips,and those were designed decisions they made - remember the whole "small die" scenario with the HD4000 and HD5000 series.

Nvidia pretty much with Maxwell used it against AMD,and now you have a scenario,where AMD cannot even really price drop the Vega cards against the GTX2060,etc.

Edit!!

Also for years I said the same about what happened with Nvidia and AMD pushing up ranges - the Titan being an example and how it would start impacting the more fixed budget areas,ie,midrange and lower end gaming. Hence why we saw the whole R9 290/GTX970/RX480/GTX1060 thing happen.

OTH,I suppose at least under £300 now gets at least a performance bump,but it makes me wonder if AMD was more competitive what we would have gotten!

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 10 Aug 2018 at 13:44

The RTX name only applies for the 70 series cards and above. There seems to be a new range called the TU116.

subbytna · 10 Aug 2018 at 13:49

A gentle reminder to Nvidia GPU holders. There is a sale going so please invest in the following product.....you're going to need it. Assume the brace position and take whats coming for your wallet.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 10 Aug 2018 at 13:52

Having said that,I think we might need to hold off until we see the die sizes. If some of the chips,like the TU104 and TU106 end up being quite big for their classes,then it might be understable on why they might cost more. I am intrigued at the TU106 and TU116 - I assume the TU116 is a version of the TU116 with no RTX support.

TheRealDeal · 10 Aug 2018 at 13:53

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The RTX name only applies for the 70 series cards and above. There seems to be a new range called the TU116.

I wonder if those lower end chips could be 7nm pipe cleaners. On 7nm they would be extrememly small and power usage would be really low. These lower end chips usually come out 2-3 months after the top cards which could get them into the 7nm process being mature enough.

sideways14a · 10 Aug 2018 at 13:54

This is pretty much where i expect the new stuff to come, all i can say is i am glad i got a 1080ti