It's difficult to have an opinion on that though as we have no idea how much was involved. On it's own a small increase in performance does not justify the price but maybe that's why they concentrated on the RT stuff. Maybe the price is what it is because of the RT stuff in it. I can understand not buying it as the RT stuff may have no interest to some gamer's but I don't see how we know if the price is justified or not (and comparing it to last gen prices is no good as it is a different, much bigger chip or at the very least a Pascal with other tech added).
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Geforce GTX1180/2080 Speculation thread
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It's difficult to have an opinion on that though as we have no idea how much was involved. On it's own a small increase in performance does not justify the price but maybe that's why they concentrated on the RT stuff. Maybe the price is what it is because of the RT stuff in it. I can understand not buying it as the RT stuff may have no interest to some gamer's but I don't see how we know if the price is justified or not (and comparing it to last gen prices is no good as it is a different, much bigger chip or at the very least a Pascal with other tech added).
https://wccftech.com/nvidia-turing-gpu-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-ipc-block-diagram-detailed/
Per core 50% better - and the overclock stuff looks interesting too.
Per core 50% better - and the overclock stuff looks interesting too.
Nvidia don't have to justify anything. They manufacture a product and people either buy it or they don't - they have no obligation to justify what they think that product is worth, value is dictated by supply and demand (Nvidia have even made a public statement stating exactly that just a few days ago).
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No they are not. [nvidia - i have no idea about AMD]........ indeed they have been offered free review samples IF they sign the NDA... an NDA which by most accounts is nothing that out of the ordinary.
Whether they sign it or not is their choice, but they HAVE been offered cards
Agreed he may be anti-Nvidia but a lot of what he is saying is just common sense. First generation products for new tech are rarely worth the massive premium in cost, you can apply that across most if not all tech.
Indeed like anything where you buy a product but I meant does the cost of R&D and production and all the other costs reflect the end price (maybe justify was the wrong word). We don't know. Nvidia don't have to justify anything of course.
Choosing not to buy doesn't change the fact that if you WANT to upgrade there is no choice.
You have no right to question my level comprehension if you're struggling with that.
it may not be justified but your not making or selling the card..they can put the cards up at £1million each if they wanted to,they simply wont sell,you as a customer decide if you want to pay what they are asking,if you don't want to pay that much then don't.
and its not nvidias fault there is no alternative and feel your 'being forced' to buy,you have the right to vote with your wallets.
yes for me personally its way too much for the 2080ti and I wonder whats going to happen to entry level cards but I certainly don't feel like I am forced to purchase one,my 1070 will do for now until benchmarks are released then I will make my own informed choice whether I should buy one or not...my 1070 isn't suddenly going to get slower overnight because a new card is released.
and its not nvidias fault there is no alternative and feel your 'being forced' to buy,you have the right to vote with your wallets.
yes for me personally its way too much for the 2080ti and I wonder whats going to happen to entry level cards but I certainly don't feel like I am forced to purchase one,my 1070 will do for now until benchmarks are released then I will make my own informed choice whether I should buy one or not...my 1070 isn't suddenly going to get slower overnight because a new card is released.
yerp, which is why every single youtuber came out in support of GPP and none of them have commented over and over again about how bad it is... oh wait, no, they have all come out against it.
I'm not saying that people like NVidia, Intel and AMD don't try to sway what people say about them, because they absolutely do. But the idea that anyone who says anything you don't like in a video is because they've been paid off is paranoia.
My point is that it doesn't matter what these youtubers say because regardless there are people saying they were paid off, and that's nonsense.
The actual way they sway this stuff is thing like inviting them to come cover their conferences then tie them into embargos that stop them from releasing actual performance figures, kind of like NVidia has just done this weekend, so every youtuber puts out a video saying "NVidia say it will have 6 times the performance of a 1080ti", though I think you'll notice that most of them add that they're not sure about those numbers and to wait for actual tests before ordering. Which is identical to AMD sending them all a big box with advertising all over it and saying you can show this box on this date, but don't show any test results till this date.
Its not the youtubers being shills or paid off or bias. If you're ****** off be ****** off at the companies dodgy marketing. And if you don't like a particular youtubers presenting style don't watch them.
September 14th I believe.
Unfortunately, he isn't alone and it appears that so many feel they have the right to be able to buy a 2080Ti, just because and because it is so expensive, it isn't right or fair. I see this very often here and I certainly don't argue with the 20xx series being VERY expensive, it isn't a given that it is a compulsory buy.
Repeating what I have said for many years, when my Girls were young, I had to go without so they can go with but it didn't stop me enjoying my gaming time. Sure I had to turn down settings but I accepted that and still had fun gaming.
Is pretty weird though that they do not mention on the article that the Precision X1 screenshot is a mockup and not the real application running....
I am reading the heading of this thread then looking at the comments in regards to people spending their money, being forced and shilling.
Can we all take a breath and talk about the speculated performance and features please?
I have just read about the Ansel ray tracing features and Ansel being possibly used across more games. Now this is great news.
I used Ansel in Ghost Recon Wildlands and then one day discovered that I could use the Rift to view the photos in 360 degrees stereoscopic.
It puts you in the game with life sized NPC's, choppers and vehicles.
Now imaging the ray tracing possibilities in that type of application. Blows the mind.
Can we all take a breath and talk about the speculated performance and features please?
I have just read about the Ansel ray tracing features and Ansel being possibly used across more games. Now this is great news.
I used Ansel in Ghost Recon Wildlands and then one day discovered that I could use the Rift to view the photos in 360 degrees stereoscopic.
It puts you in the game with life sized NPC's, choppers and vehicles.
Now imaging the ray tracing possibilities in that type of application. Blows the mind.
Go for it I also wish Ansel was in more games its a good feature so hoping they will start putting it in more stuff i'v also been round to see every new feature of graphics cards and this is another jump when stuff seems to be just bigger res and that was the only difference.
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Nvidia said "here is our new black box for $$$$ and you can preorder one now"
I dont see why I should be hyped and pre order it, when we have no idea about what it can do or not, and if the price is worth it or not
That is not a controversial opinion surely?
By not releasing any real details Nvidia are inviting the speculation (hint its even in the thread title)
I think I am just adverse to these hype hype hype apple product style launches, the need to have a product asap and be on the hype train is more important than the end result or value etc
Youtubers saying people shouldnt question a price rise or speculate on the performace or value is a bit silly,
Whats the point of a youtube hardware review channel if people preorder products without knowing if they are any good or not?
HW cannucks bloke saying "people will eat their words" lol, people are just speculating based on the small bits of information available
I dont see why I should be hyped and pre order it, when we have no idea about what it can do or not, and if the price is worth it or not
That is not a controversial opinion surely?
By not releasing any real details Nvidia are inviting the speculation (hint its even in the thread title)
I think I am just adverse to these hype hype hype apple product style launches, the need to have a product asap and be on the hype train is more important than the end result or value etc
Youtubers saying people shouldnt question a price rise or speculate on the performace or value is a bit silly,
Whats the point of a youtube hardware review channel if people preorder products without knowing if they are any good or not?
HW cannucks bloke saying "people will eat their words" lol, people are just speculating based on the small bits of information available
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That'd be an insane gain. Hope it's true but doubt it's true!
Interesting watch.
The guy seems pretty sure that the 2080 is going to be slower than the 1080ti and if true would give another reason to release the 2080ti at the same time.
Imagine if they only released a 2080 and it was more expensive than a 1080ti and slower?
Oh dear. That is a ridiculous and childish approach to any debate 'you don't like it, don't watch it'. The point is its not about my personal dilemma of avoiding watching youtubers I don't like, it's having a duty to call out bulls**t from being disseminated by these reviewers and personalities if it is bulls**t or influenced by ulterior motives. If you can't comprehend why such actions are important in a society, I don't know what to say.
'BBC makes the decision to broadcast hardcore porn on CBBC. StarShocks' response: "You don't like it, don't watch it"'
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Slightly different...