Geforce GTX1180/2080 Speculation thread

muon · 29 Aug 2018 at 01:27

Tesselation took ages to get widely used. The first generation tesselation cards were also crap at it.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 29 Aug 2018 at 01:45

harmattan said:
Whelp, it seems nVidia is completely controlling the review process (and narrative) from top down. It goes from requiring AIBs to only sample to "preferred" reviewers to forcing reviewers to benchmark on specific drivers in nV's controlled environment.

https://m.hardocp.com/article/2018/08/28/nvidia_controls_aib_launch_driver_distribution

Takeaway: don't trust any review until official retail drivers are out (not even when the first reviews hit).

Central Committee under Brezhnev didn't have this much control.

If you read the article it also says the following:

This is where it gets a bit more interesting, and likely should give you concern with any leaked benchmarks you see on the web. NVIDIA is not allowing its AIBs to distribute drivers with their review cards. For a reviewer to have access, he must first sign NVIDIA's multi-year NDA (which is fine if you are "just" a card reviewer), then he will log into a protected site which is most likely a secured version of GeForce Experience in order to obtain the driver, and download from there into a specific machine with the new RTX card being present. If you are seeing any benchmarks between now and the ~20th (we think the 2080 launch and 2080 Ti launch will be split on different days possibly), you are likely not seeing cards benchmarked with its launch driver. So keep that in the back of your mind as you see performance leaks come forward.

EastCoastHandle · 29 Aug 2018 at 01:46

harmattan said:
Whelp, it seems nVidia is completely controlling the review process (and narrative) from top down. It goes from requiring AIBs to only sample to "preferred" reviewers to forcing reviewers to benchmark on specific drivers in nV's controlled environment.

https://m.hardocp.com/article/2018/08/28/nvidia_controls_aib_launch_driver_distribution

Takeaway: don't trust any review until official retail drivers are out (not even when the first reviews hit).

Central Committee under Brezhnev didn't have this much control.

NDA 2.0 happened for a reason.
This doesn't look good for a launch of a new card from Nvidia. I can assume that performance won't justify the price.
We laughed at Tom's Hardware article. But imagine if you will, that a good chunk of all the reviews say exactly the same as TH when the card is released.

Safetytrousers · 29 Aug 2018 at 01:59

EastCoastHandle said:
But imagine if you will, that a good chunk of all the reviews say exactly the same as TH when the card is released.

I can't imagine the likes of Tiny Tom Logan bending over that far. We would clearly see the bent from the straight.
And in the end the cards will be in the hands of consumers days after. I don't see any gain to be made about misrepresenting the reality for just a few days.

CREATIVE!11 · 29 Aug 2018 at 02:14

AORUS said:
I can't believe this Thread is still running, I have seen other forums threads about the new RTX and it all out war on there with allots of hate, arguments, and fan boys battle it out and it make this thread soo tame

It's because we're all just laughing at Nvidias meme level release of the 20 series.

We're so apathetic we've gone beyond the point of bothering to argue. Welcome aboard.

AthlonXP1800 · 29 Aug 2018 at 03:47

Atomic Heart is really amazing with ray tracing. :cool:

AyeAyeAhoy! · 29 Aug 2018 at 06:26

AORUS said:
I can't believe this Thread is still running, I have seen other forums threads about the new RTX and it all out war on there with allots of hate, arguments, and fan boys battle it out and it make this thread soo tame

Why I like this forum

shamus21 · 29 Aug 2018 at 06:46

What gets me is the way the word AI is being used on products at this rate we will be seeing that cheap £5.00 kettle from the likes of argos with a label saying AI assisted boiling and changing £50.00 for the same kettle.

justwondering · 29 Aug 2018 at 07:29

shamus21 said:
What gets me is the way the word AI is being used on products at this rate we will be seeing that cheap £5.00 kettle from the likes of argos with a label saying AI assisted boiling and changing £50.00 for the same kettle.

I have been ray tracing my daily cuppa for years.

ljt · 29 Aug 2018 at 07:44

While ray tracing can make games look good, I really couldn't care less about the looks of a game, I go purely by gameplay. Most of the games I'm playing are basic 3d and predominantly 2d!

beany_bot · 29 Aug 2018 at 07:49

melmac said:
That was the rumour before the cards came out, because people thought the 2070 was going to use the TU106 chip, the 2080 was going to use the TU104 and they assumed the 2080Ti was going to use the same TU104 chip. Instead, so far, the cards have come out using the same tier chips as their Pascal counterparts. The 2080Ti uses the TU102 chip just like the 1080Ti used the GP102 chip. We don't know yet what the 2070 will use.

I'm not trying to over simplify things here... But you do know Nvidia can stamp what ever they want on the die? They can call a chocolate bar TU104 if they want. Same way they can call that die any card they want. Its pretty simple.

If the performance has shifted a card. Nvidia have shifted a card.

Click to expand...

Silent_Scone · 29 Aug 2018 at 08:16

ljt said:
While ray tracing can make games look good, I really couldn't care less about the looks of a game, I go purely by gameplay. Most of the games I'm playing are basic 3d and predominantly 2d!

I was explaining ray tracing to someone the other day and then proceeded to play Dead Cells.

Panos · 29 Aug 2018 at 08:16

AORUS said:
I can't believe this Thread is still running, I have seen other forums threads about the new RTX and it all out war on there with allots of hate, arguments, and fan boys battle it out and it make this thread soo tame

As you have seen from here, the all out war is between Nvidia fans in the arena. The AMD fans are sitting in the colosseum watching the blood flowing raising their thumbs.....
18.12.1 drivers are not that far away

Panos · 29 Aug 2018 at 08:18

The Tourist said:
*Puts on dodgy Russian accent*

I have fresh information from Politburo in form of 'dossier' containing 'kompromat' on nVidia and operative with code name 'leather jacket man'. You can have this information, but in exchange you must wear MAGA hat (Make AMD Great Again) and support this with purchase of many AMD GPUs (but only correctly priced ones, not greedy crony capitalist priced ones).

The last double agent who made a dossier about Trump err Nvidia, was poisoned by the CIA.... err the Russians....

bigmike20vt · 29 Aug 2018 at 08:39

Safetytrousers said:
I can't imagine the likes of Tiny Tom Logan bending over that far. We would clearly see the bent from the straight.
And in the end the cards will be in the hands of consumers days after. I don't see any gain to be made about misrepresenting the reality for just a few days.

Agreed he is definitely one of the guys i rely on when it comes to fairly reliable reviews.

bigmike20vt · 29 Aug 2018 at 08:44

AthlonXP1800 said:
Atomic Heart is really amazing with ray tracing.

wish he could keep still its making me motion sick!

BubbySoup · 29 Aug 2018 at 09:02

AthlonXP1800 said:
Atomic Heart is really amazing with ray tracing.

That's awful if I'm honest. I mean, the tech is great but I get the feeling we are going to be fighting a lot of shiny enemies in future games that have spinning lights plastered all over them "just because".

Next stop - emergency service vehicles on fire driving through mirrored tunnels!!

Kaapstad · 29 Aug 2018 at 09:04

elrasho said:
They try so hard to make us think this is a game changer when it's just a gimmick for gamers

It is not even correct.

If they are going to quote Quadro as mainstream for Ray Tracing they are overlooking their own GV100 cards lol.

bigmike20vt · 29 Aug 2018 at 09:04

BubbySoup said:
That's awful if I'm honest. I mean, the tech is great but I get the feeling we are going to be fighting a lot of shiny enemies in future games that have spinning lights plastered all over them "just because".

Next stop - emergency service vehicles on fire driving through mirrored tunnels!!

i think you will be right for a few titles initially... however once the new toy smell wears off i think it will become just another tool in the shed to work with.

harmattan · 29 Aug 2018 at 09:25

BubbySoup said:
That's awful if I'm honest. I mean, the tech is great but I get the feeling we are going to be fighting a lot of shiny enemies in future games that have spinning lights plastered all over them "just because".

Next stop - emergency service vehicles on fire driving through mirrored tunnels!!

It's like bloom all over again. Some of those mid-2000s games looks worse than a JJ Abrams film for over-use of bloom: many of the early Xbox 360 launch titles (and the PC ports) were all "add bloom to all the things!" e.g. Fable, GoW.

In fact, if I recall, quite a few games e.g. Perfect Dark Zero were developed on the original Xbox/older GPUs, then just had a sheen of bloom added to make them 360 titles. We may see similar games already in the development pipeline that have a few raytracing snipets thrown on top (I'm betting that's the case with the current list of games claiming to support raytracing).