if the 2080 is going to be the new 1080ti with extras,where does that leave the 2070?
your still paying extra for the new goodies like raytracing but if the 2080ti isn't offering great framerates with RT on..where does this leave the 2070?..your paying for RT but it will be barely playable with it on?
as is it the 2070 is roughly on par pricewise with a 1080ti,and if RT doesn't offer good framerates on it why would you buy it over a faster 1080ti?
This is where confusion resides given Nvidia have revealed precious little about the 20xx series performance in relation to Pascal in current games... they just showed us all the new (and meaningless) metrics which were totally useless in that regard. We just won't know until reviews and benchmarks drop next as to where the cards will fall in relation to Pascal. I don't think it's a case of 2080 being the new 1080Ti though... I don't think such comparisons are necessarily going to say very much about what these cards can do, especially going forwards when it comes to DLSS and ray tracing... personally though, I don't see any reason to get excited about ray tracing given how demanding it's going to be... as you say, it doesn't seem even the 2080Ti is going to be much good above 1080p... at least in the short term... but as drivers mature and developers optimise for games, who knows. The 2070 I cannot ever really see being a good choice for ray tracing though, unless Nvidia somehow pull a rabbit out the hat regards performance and optimisation of RTX features in games.
I'm more interested in the raw performance of these cards and any other features they might bring. DLSS in particular does look promising, but as with ray tracing, developers need to optimise for that. It won't just 'work' on all games. Still, DLSS isn't a demanding FPS drain for the sake of beautiful visuals like ray tracing is.
As for a 2070 vs 1080Ti outside of all RTX features... again, we have to wait for reviews obviously, and although we'll be waiting longer for 2070 benchmarks, the 2080 reviews next week shoud offer some insight in to where the 2070 will land. Look at the price though... the 2070 is cheaper than a new 1080Ti. It's going to have to be quite a bit worse for it not to be the obvious choice of the two.