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Geforce GTX1180/2080 Speculation thread

Legend said:
A lot of speculation there though... the scant evidence we have does show DLSS improves performance. 30% is nothing to be sniffed at. I don't think Nvidia had much reason to care or really bother. They've got the discrete GPU market and its hard core consumer base by the balls. It would only have created less hype and pre-orders wouldn't have been so high, but now that we know, the cards are still selling. It's not changed anything. Nvidia just charged ahead and did their own thing. It's evident from Dice only having a couple of days to work on that RTX BF5 demo that Nvidia didn't give two hoots. Why not get devs on board months earlier? Maybe it wasn't ready then... it all points to a rushed launch, but it doesn't mean DLSS won't work or be something that benefits gamers. Jury may be out on this, but what HAS been seen shows an improvement with DLSS in 4K vs not... in relation to FPS anyway, even if there is a very small visual hit.
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You think they don't care? Every one of their actions in the last few months says they do care a lot. The new NDAs, trying to get AIB's to get their gaming brand aligned completely with Nvidia or else. These aren't things done by a company who doesn't care. What about the extra lockdown on reviews, with less information than normal.

Where are the 2080's selling? They are in stock everywhere, that's very unusual for a new card from Nvidia after two years of waiting. Maxwell and Pascal cards were not available for ages. Everywhere sold out for months.

It's not idle speculation. It's putting a lot of info together and reaching a valid conclusion. There is literally no reason, none, for them not to have a DLSS game available at launch apart from the results impacting 2080 sales. The three games I mentioned were already done and tested according to Nvidia. So why could reviewers not have them?
 
melmac said:
You think they don't care? Every one of their actions in the last few months says they do care a lot. The new NDAs, trying to get AIB's to get their gaming brand aligned completely with Nvidia or else. These aren't things done by a company who doesn't care. What about the extra lockdown on reviews, with less information than normal.

Where are the 2080's selling? They are in stock everywhere, that's very unusual for a new card from Nvidia after two years of waiting. Maxwell and Pascal cards were not available for ages. Everywhere sold out for months.

It's not idle speculation. It's putting a lot of info together and reaching a valid conclusion. There is literally no reason, none, for them not to have a DLSS game available at launch apart from the results impacting 2080 sales. The three games I mentioned were already done and tested according to Nvidia. So why could reviewers not have them?
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The fact they released when they did indicates a certain lack of care... with no RTX games available and not even Windows supporting it yet. It all feels rushed, for reasons only they know... perhaps 7nm is closer than we think, who knows. Same for DLSS... the reason for them not having a game at launch is that they didn't provide tech to any developer early enough for this to be possible. Nvidia don't make games. Why didn't they get tech to a developer early enough so that this could happen?

No, 2080 is not selling as well, but exactly for reasons I said... they've deliberately engineered these prices to clear out all the 1080Ti stock. Had mining bubble not occured, we wouldn't be seeing this. They KNEW this would impact 2080 sales... it's obvious that it would have. Do they care? No. They're still making money on 1080Ti. When they're all gone, they will make money on 2080 etc. All part of their plan... they know exactly what they're doing.
 
Legend said:
Well that's a comparison that will be interesting to see in time... a 1080Ti with details turned down vs a 2080 with no details turned down and DLSS on.
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Or just run the 1080Ti at 1800p with TAA. Very similar performance and picture quality to a 2080 at 4K (1440p) with DLSS.
 
IT Troll said:
Or just run the 1080Ti at 1800p with TAA. Very similar performance and picture quality to a 2080 at 4K (1440p) with DLSS.
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Again, in time it will be interesting to see these benchmarks and comparisons. There is no way to know how it will be on a game by game basis as we've not seen DLSS implemented and in proper action yet outside of the on-rails demos. Driver maturation will also play a role in this.
 
Apparently some of the delay on these cards is down to a pair of category 5 typhoons hitting the area that they were meant to ship out of. :eek:
 
Legend said:
Again, in time it will be interesting to see these benchmarks and comparisons. There is no way to know how it will be on a game by game basis as we've not seen DLSS implemented and in proper action yet outside of the on-rails demos. Driver maturation will also play a role in this.
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Yes, sample is far too small and it is way too early to call it either way. But you would hope that these on-the-rails Nvidia prepared demos are showing best case for DLSS. But with the 1080Ti 1800p TAA approach you are not reliant on drivers or game support.
 
z10m said:
So 4K DLSS is similar in quality and performance to running a game at 1800p. Interesting...

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Thats how DLSS works, you render less pixels and the quality is made up via image enhancement tech.
It is similar results to lowering resolution and then using SGSSAA to enhance after, except DLSS works on DX11 and has dedicated hardware for it making it much lower overhead than SGSAA.
 
No idea. But its like e.g. MFAA requires MSAA support and SGSSAA also requires DX9, DLSS probably requires a specific feature been utilised in a game to function.
 
The conclusion I'm coming to is the 2000 series is a huge con job to sucker people into throwing their money away on a rushed and unpolished product.

To me it seems Nvidia had some heads up on AMD's upcoming hardware releases on 7nm if rumour is to believed and Nvidia have always liked to land the first punch but their 1st gen Turing would not be as fast so they rush features onto these cards probably designated for their 7nm series in the form of DLSS and Ray Tracing which is why they are clearly not ready or have any flagship games showing it from day 1, combine that with massively over inflated prices to cash in on the market before the AMD launch.

Sounds like a conspiracy by an insidious company, well it's either that or Nvidia are very very incompetent.
 
kazuya1337 said:
The conclusion I'm coming to is the 2000 series is a huge con job to sucker people into throwing their money away on a rushed and unpolished product.

To me it seems Nvidia had some heads up on AMD's upcoming hardware releases on 7nm if rumour is to believed and Nvidia have always liked to land the first punch but their 1st gen Turing would not be as fast so they rush features onto these cards probably designated for their 7nm series in the form of DLSS and Ray Tracing which is why they are clearly not ready or have any flagship games showing it from day 1, combine that with massively over inflated prices to cash in on the market before the AMD launch.

Sounds like a conspiracy by an insidious company, well it's either that or Nvidia are very very incompetent.
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Yea, AMD have nvidia scared. 7nm AMD next will be amazing and brilliant and fantastic. Nvidia are doomed I reckon.
 
Gregster said:
Yea, AMD have nvidia scared. 7nm AMD next will be amazing and brilliant and fantastic. Nvidia are doomed I reckon.
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unless amd surprises us all i dont think nvidia give much of a monkeys for now. only way amd could one up them is either release a extremely cheap card or something reasonably priced that beats a 1080ti by a good 10-15% neither of which i see happening, i hope im wrong but i just dont see it this time around.
 
z10m said:
So 4K DLSS is similar in quality and performance to running a game at 1800p. Interesting...

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Ahahaha, exactly what I've been saying since the first images came out! Glad someone did that comparison. DLSS is no better than messing with render scale, except it's Nvidia-only and limited to some games (which are 0 right now), so not even better. Something that was apparent to the poorer amongst us who have been gaming at 4K with mid-range GPUs and are intimately familiar with render scale quality.

#Vindication Feelsgoodman.jpg
 
Gregster said:
Yea, AMD have nvidia scared. 7nm AMD next will be amazing and brilliant and fantastic. Nvidia are doomed I reckon.
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I never said Nvidia were scared, they just like to punch AMD when they are down and my reasoning was that Nvidia has never had such a botched and amateur launch than this, the cards were clearly not ready or available in great numbers, DLSS and Raytracing is not ready to be implemented in any meaningful way and it seems it will be that way for quite some time and on top of that they slapped on a huge price increase, as a marketing strategy it seems as well thought out as Brexit. So why rush it all? unless they are trying to pre-empt AMD with a card faster than the 1080Ti because their 7nm chipset won't be ready until Q4 2019
 
kazuya1337 said:
The conclusion I'm coming to is the 2000 series is a huge con job to sucker people into throwing their money away on a rushed and unpolished product.

To me it seems Nvidia had some heads up on AMD's upcoming hardware releases on 7nm if rumour is to believed and Nvidia have always liked to land the first punch but their 1st gen Turing would not be as fast so they rush features onto these cards probably designated for their 7nm series in the form of DLSS and Ray Tracing which is why they are clearly not ready or have any flagship games showing it from day 1, combine that with massively over inflated prices to cash in on the market before the AMD launch.

Sounds like a conspiracy by an insidious company, well it's either that or Nvidia are very very incompetent.
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Nvidia are the new Apple probably the people who have already bought a 2080 ti also buy the latest apple products and walk around town with their Beats headphones on.
 
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