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Geforce GTX1180/2080 Speculation thread

McGraw said:
Cool if it was the same price as the 1080ti at launch plus inflation.

Otherwise it’s an approx 50% price increase for a promise
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Previous promises have been fulfilled.
Folks need to take the self-focused consumer hat on and put a business hat on instead.
So, 1080 Ti price + inflation + big ass expensive die + fancy new tech in hardware not done before + the fact that they cannot even supply enough of them at £1099.99 + OCUK are almost out of the stocks they had at £1399.
At £800 or whatever the price was for the 1080 Ti at launch we could be waiting until well into next year for the Ti's.
When/if you get a pay rise at work should it always be inflation only?
I'm not wholly sticking up for the price but prices are what they are and they're hardly in stock anyway. OCUK currently only have 3 Palit 2080 Ti's in stock at £1399. NV been out of stock for over a month now and none have been delivered. What would be the point of anyone pricing them at £800 if they cannot fulfil the demand it would generate? The supply issue may change later and hopefully it'll impact prices too, ie, if they can supply as many as they can sell at a lower price.
 
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DarrenM343 said:
Previous promises have been fulfilled.
Folks need to take the self-focused consumer hat on and put a business hat on instead.
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The consumer hat is a business hat - its OUR business we are taking into consideration if you think about it!!

Companies want to charge more to maintain or increase margins to make themselves have more more free cash,whereas consumers would rather pay similar prices to before or less so they have more free cash.

In the real world outside the internet,do people care if petrol and gas prices increase due to international issues or companies having to make longterm hedges to account for pricing variability? They don't and people even complained enough to the government to start enforcing price caps. People are selfish as they care more about enriching themselves than a company - its why so many local shopping chains in the UK are going out of business,with loads of jobs being lost to companies like the Forest place who have massive operations all over Europe,and can drop prices lower than any bricks and mortar shop can compete with.
 
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Kaapstad said:
How many times have you said that in this thread.:D

You remind me of a bad open university program where the guy keeps saying "infinity +1"
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I think not being able to justify the price is driving him crazy :p

So Kaaps, have you broken down and ordered a 2080Ti yet or hanging in strong like me for 7nm?
 
I think the increased price of the 20XX cards is reasonable if you take into account the extra silicon on the chips.

Having said that the extra silicon is doing stuff that most end users will either not use much/or think not worth the extra money.

From what I have seen the 20XX cards are really nice but NVidia have made a bad marketing move by trying to sell features to the end user that they don't want or don't think are value for money.

It is a bit like being sold a PC for number crunching when a cheap pocket calculator will do the job.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The consumer hat is a business hat - its OUR business we are taking into consideration if you think about it!!

Companies want to charge more to maintain or increase margins to make themselves have more more free cash,whereas consumers would rather pay similar prices to before or less so they have more free cash.

In the real world outside the internet,do people care if petrol and gas prices increase due to international issues or companies having to make longterm hedges to account for pricing variability? They don't and people even complained enough to the government to start enforcing price caps.
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Yes the truth is consumers are mostly spent up. Huge personal debt now in the UK. Bidding up of property prices with the banks money. Credit card debt, crazy phone contracts, everything on % finance. Reminiscent of the 1920's and we know what happened in the 1930's.

The BoE is frightened to raise interest rates and it's not because consumers are rolling in cash. There will be a lot of businesses fail before it all gets resolved and just raising prices is not working now. Consumers are being forced to shop around for a good deal through necessity.

Interesting few years ahead I think, I've fixed the rate on anything I can ;)
 
TNA said:
I think not being able to justify the price is driving him crazy :p

So Kaaps, have you broken down and ordered a 2080Ti yet or hanging in strong like me for 7nm?
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All options are open at the moment.

My personal opinion and only a guess is 7nm is going to be quite a wait.

Next big thing from NVidia could be a Turing Titan and it could arrive very quickly.

Another thing to consider is where is the TU100 chip hiding as we have not seen it yet.
 
Kaapstad said:
All options are open at the moment.

My personal opinion and only a guess is 7nm is going to be quite a wait.

Next big thing from NVidia could be a Turing Titan and it could arrive very quickly.

Another thing to consider is where is the TU100 chip hiding as we have not seen it yet.
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Yeah. It could end up being a long wait. Even though I think not, I did not want to take the chance and stick with a 980Ti for ages, so went for a Titan XP. That way even if it takes ages I am covered with 12gb vram :D

But my prediction is Q4 2019 for 7nm 20 series. But it could easily slip to 2020.

You are right, no doubt there will be a Titan T coming out. Might be 3-6 months away, but it will be the full fat Turing. Question is, will they be charging Titan V money’s for it or will it be $1200? Not like you are in a rush, you have a Titan V ;)
 
Troezar said:
Yes the truth is consumers are mostly spent up. Huge personal debt now in the UK. Bidding up of property prices with the banks money. Credit card debt, crazy phone contracts, everything on % finance. Reminiscent of the 1920's and we know what happened in the 1930's.

The BoE is frightened to raise interest rates and it's not because consumers are rolling in cash. There will be a lot of businesses fail before it all gets resolved and just raising prices is not working now. Consumers are being forced to shop around for a good deal through necessity.

Interesting few years ahead I think, I've fixed the rate on anything I can ;)
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Definitely interesting as you say!

Kaapstad said:
All options are open at the moment.

My personal opinion and only a guess is 7nm is going to be quite a wait.

Next big thing from NVidia could be a Turing Titan and it could arrive very quickly.

Another thing to consider is where is the TU100 chip hiding as we have not seen it yet.
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I am surprised you didn't sell the Titan V and get an RTX2080TI or two! :p
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The consumer hat is a business hat - its OUR business we are taking into consideration if you think about it!!
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But like with any business, we're not forced to buy from a supplier :). If we don't use another business/service due to cost we don't go on and on about it using logic that often is a bit out there as to why nobody should.
I was thinking more along the lines of running NV ourselves. People are too self-focused to think about that, but that;s the UK today, looking no further than our own back yards.
If I ran a coffee shop or something and someone said to me "you cannot put your prices up more than inflation from last year, you're too expensive", when they don't even bother asking me/considering why I put prices up, I'd give them the middle finger :p.

NV is struggling to supply them at the moment. Would we be happy if they were £800 but had no change in hell of getting our hands on one? If they were £800 nobody would be going on and on about RTX being slow, whatever- it would suddenly be the second coming...….
 
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DarrenM343 said:
But like with any business, we're not forced to buy from a supplier :). If we don't use another business/service due to cost we don't go on and on about it using logic that often is a bit out there as to why nobody should.
I was thinking more along the lines of running NV ourselves. People are too self-focused to think about that, but that;s the UK today, looking no further than our own back yards.
If I ran a coffee shop or something and someone said to me "you cannot put your prices up more than inflation from last year, you're too expensive", when they don't even bother asking me/considering why I put prices up, I'd give them the middle finger :p. Okay, I wouldn't as I'm too polite.
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Don't forget businesses are just people. People everywhere put themselves first is only natural, it's in our survival DNA ;)
 
Troezar said:
Don't forget businesses are just people. People everywhere put themselves first is only natural, it's in our survival DNA ;)
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At least some of us some of us are not complaining or going on and on about it because we do consider the other side of the story too :p, the bigger picture, and likewise we do not try to drag the products/company down just because pricing doesn't suit us. This kind of self-focused attitude is why the world is what it is today too,which we're all part of (ie, greed, selfishness).
There's putting yourself first(natural) and there's basing your opinions, decisions only on your self - they're different.
 
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TNA said:
Yeah. It could end up being a long wait. Even though I think not, I did not want to take the chance and stick with a 980Ti for ages, so went for a Titan XP. That way even if it takes ages I am covered with 12gb vram :D

But my prediction is Q4 2019 for 7nm 20 series. But it could easily slip to 2020.

You are right, no doubt there will be a Titan T coming out. Might be 3-6 months away, but it will be the full fat Turing. Question is, will they be charging Titan V money’s for it or will it be $1200? Not like you are in a rush, you have a Titan V ;)
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If the 2080 Ti does not move in big enough numbers it could be less than 3 months before we see a full fat TU102 Titan if only to shift the chips. There is very little difference in manufacturing costs between a 2080 Ti and a full enabled Titan, just an extra memory chip and a fully working TU102.

Then there is a possible TU100 card to come after that to enable NVidia to really milk the market.
 
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