Geforce GTX1180/2080 Speculation thread

[DELETED_195422]

Wouldn't surprise me if the 1160 was just a rebadge of the 1060 with the same performance. With all the BS surrounding PC Gaming recently, i'm on the verge of ditching the platform for good. I haven't bought a PC game for ages now.

It's just souped up console ports to take advantage of these GPUs now. Over the coming years, many peoples new GPU will have PS5/Xbox written on it.

 

[beany_bot]

Wouldn't surprise me if the 1160 was just a rebadge of the 1060 with the same performance. With all the BS surrounding PC Gaming recently, i'm on the verge of ditching the platform for good. I haven't bought a PC game for ages now.

It's just souped up console ports to take advantage of these GPUs now. Over the coming years, many peoples new GPU will have PS5/Xbox written on it.

I do agree it's been a bad last decade for sure.
With Intel milking in absence of AMD. Nvidia milking in absence of AMD. Ram price fixing. And games like no man's sky being released full of lies, most games on steam now being buggy, alpha messes that never receive updates. The glory days and well and truly in the past. Remember the late 90s when games were amazing, each new GPU was twice as good as the last and CPUs were marching forward. Memory was cheap as chips.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Nvidia will use RTX as a selling point I suspect.

 

[bigmike20vt]

I do agree it's been a bad last decade for sure.
With Intel milking in absence of AMD. Nvidia milking in absence of AMD. Ram price fixing. And games like no man's sky being released full of lies, most games on steam now being buggy, alpha messes that never receive updates. The glory days and well and truly in the past. Remember the late 90s when games were amazing, each new GPU was twice as good as the last and CPUs were marching forward. Memory was cheap as chips.

its not all bad imo.
games like Elite Dangerous, various racing and flight sims.... then games like hellblade imo show there are still devs who clearly love their games. (what will happen to ninja theory however now MS own them i do not know.. however their free VR port of hellblade is a good start).

but for me, the shining light of the past 5 years has to be the birth of VR. since getting my rift in July 2014 my jaw has had to be picked off the floor more times than all my years in gaming combined. It is for me the biggest evolution in videogames than any other I can think off, and allows new types of game and new ways to play older types of game that simply dont work on a screen.

even NMS which you cite.. yes, what a disappointment at launch but imo you have to hand it to HG, they have knuckled down and the updates they have given for free now puts the game way beyond what was ever promised at launch. (I still am not getting it till they patch in VR however)

yes CPU / GPU improvements have slowed down, but that is in part just the nature of the technology maturing.... i just upgrade less so i still get big improvements. ... I tend to upgrade when i can get a 100% improvement, which makes now the perfect time for me as a gtx 1180 will be at least 100% faster than my gtx 980.

it isnt all good however and i am not totally disagreeing with beany_bot.... EA titles which are never finished (Early Access not Electronic Arts) and then loot boxes.... I dont mind them on F2P titles but when you pay full bubble on a game they are outrageous (and Electronic Arts ARE one of the big ones here).

hopefully they will implode on themselves and will die a death like online passes of the last console generation,.

 

[Boot_Loop]

I agree, 'PC gaming' in a real sad state, prices are extortionate. I like building stuff, but I'm at the point now where I can take or leave the gaming side, especially at Nvidia's silly prices. What's funny is the way marketing and fanboys (who do the marketing for them) try and justify why we need faster and faster cards when the fact is, nearly all PC games are tethered to the weak tech inside the base PS4 and even slower Xbox One. The game engines of 'AAA' titles are written with these lowest common denominators in mind, so they could almost run on a toaster. But now we're being told 'we need GTX 1080-tier cards at least to play 4k 60fps/1080p 144fps' which is ridiculous when the game engines are so last-gen.

Where is the advanced physics? Better AI? Fully deformable environments? That is what would make me spend half a grand for a new GPU, not framerates above 60fps.

 

[GFX-Kid]

Wouldn't surprise me if the 1160 was just a rebadge of the 1060 with the same performance. With all the BS surrounding PC Gaming recently, i'm on the verge of ditching the platform for good. I haven't bought a PC game for ages now.

It's just souped up console ports to take advantage of these GPUs now. Over the coming years, many peoples new GPU will have PS5/Xbox written on it.

No disrespect, but let me push you over by saying good riddance. Nearly every post of yours I have seen is a moan at one thing or the other. I am a lurker but you got me to log in to try and put you out of you misery.

Cheer up, try to add some value with your posts rather than the constant doom and gloom or bugger off I say.

 

[Zeed]

I GOT THE 980TI FOR FREE! STOP BEING JEALOUS OF MY FREE 980TI AND MY SUPERIOR FINANCIAL DECISION MAKING!

SUPERIOR FINANCIAL DECISION ye remember those buying herbs of silk road for 30 BTC years back

I bet 20% faster than 1080ti and 50 quid more than one

 

[Cooper]

The next gen of consoles could kill PC gaming for good as a mass participation sport IMO for all but the most committed tech die-hards, willing to throw money at it.

The new gen of consoles will finally have a decent Ryzen based 6/8 core CPU, 10-12Tflop (at least) GPU and a minimum 16GB of GDDR6 RAM, which should mean finally that they're able to run most games at 4K (albeit chequerboard) 60fps, all for a fixed price outlay of £400-£500.

In the obscenely overpriced world of PC gaming, the reasons NOT to choose console gaming over PC gaming are getting less & less.

I priced up a complete new build PC & G-Sync Monitor the other day, something which I only treat myself to every 4-5yrs or so, and to buy the PC I want to to the desired spec I want, which would last me for the next 4-5yrs, without having to do a Mobo, CPU , RAM & storage upgrade mid life, leaving only a mid life GPU upgrade, came to a staggering £3500! and the truth is I simply don't game enough any more to justify such an amount.

..suddenly a compromised PS5/Xbox Two looked mighty tempting.

 

[TNA]

I bet 20% faster than 1080ti and 50 quid more than one

Are you referring to release price of $699? If so then your guess is Nvidia will be pricing it around $765?

Personally I find that if we are going to judge a company on increasing their pricing, we need to do it on the prices they actually set. Hence for a long time now I just go by dollars when I am looking to do this as it cuts out a lot of confusion. Many posters even today are confused and compare the cost in pounds and say graphics cards have gone up in price a lot from around 10 years ago. Trouble is our VAT was less back then and the value of the pound was much better. It used to be 2 to 1.

Now I am not saying graphics card prices have not gone up, as even taking the above into account they still have as Nvidia have created a new tiers of cards. But for the purpose of comparing a 1080 to a 1180 and judging whether Nvidia have increased the pricing, it makes most sense to compare the release price in the currency they actually sell card in.

According to the Anandtech the MSRP for 1080 founders edition was $699 and for normal cards, like clown edition blower cards $599 (these were sold here for £525 as I recall). My guess is these will go up by $50.

The 1070 founders was $449 so that may go to $499. Still a big price jump if it goes that way and when you compare it to the price what the 970 was on release, this is where you can see where nvidia have really increased prices. But if it is close to 1080Ti performance, it will be a good upgrade for new tech in this market.

 

[KillBoY_UK]

Wouldn't surprise me if the 1160 was just a rebadge of the 1060 with the same performance.

I would'nt blame them, peeps did lap up the RX580 after-all

 

[Kaapstad]

You could get 980 Tis for around £450-500. Then Nvidia inflated the price massively so that its replacement costs £800+. Now the new 1180 Ti is going to cost £1000+.

You are totally missing the point.

With the GTX 1160 you will get a lot more performance for a lot less than you paid 4.5 years ago.

For the record my 980 Ti cards cost £980 each and the price was not inflated by NVidia.

Kingpin 80%+ ASIC 980 Ti cards are not cheap but are worth every penny.

 

[TNA]

Kingpin 80%+ ASIC 980 Ti cards are not cheap but are worth every penny.

Hey Kaaps, can you explain why? I never really understood it, unless one plans to do extreme cooling (Liquid Nitrogen) which you don’t, then why is it so worth it?

 

[Kaapstad]

Hey Kaaps, can you explain why? I never really understood it, unless one plans to do extreme cooling (Liquid Nitrogen) which you don’t, then why is it so worth it?

Contrary to what most people think they are not really for LN2 benching (even though they have the tools to do it).

The way to think of them is as the ultimate gaming card with a solid copper cooler which works very well on air and the high ASIC allowed them to boost to very high clockspeeds on stock volts, default clocks and standard bios.

If they were genuine out and out LN2 cards there would be no point in supplying them with a cooler of any kind but if EVGA did this they would have very few sales.

 

[Calo]

Any chance that this Gamescom event is just a plug for their BFG monitors? Good idea to have a load of them set up in their own locked down venue really.

 

[D.P.]

Are you referring to release price of $699? If so then your guess is Nvidia will be pricing it around $765?

Personally I find that if we are going to judge a company on increasing their pricing, we need to do it on the prices they actually set. Hence for a long time now I just go by dollars when I am looking to do this as it cuts out a lot of confusion. Many posters even today are confused and compare the cost in pounds and say graphics cards have gone up in price a lot from around 10 years ago. Trouble is our VAT was less back then and the value of the pound was much better. It used to be 2 to 1.

Now I am not saying graphics card prices have not gone up, as even taking the above into account they still have as Nvidia have created a new tiers of cards. But for the purpose of comparing a 1080 to a 1180 and judging whether Nvidia have increased the pricing, it makes most sense to compare the release price in the currency they actually sell card in.

According to the Anandtech the MSRP for 1080 founders edition was $699 and for normal cards, like clown edition blower cards $599 (these were sold here for £525 as I recall). My guess is these will go up by $50.

The 1070 founders was $449 so that may go to $499. Still a big price jump if it goes that way and when you compare it to the price what the 970 was on release, this is where you can see where nvidia have really increased prices. But if it is close to 1080Ti performance, it will be a good upgrade for new tech in this market.

Also with the 970 Nvidia actually had lowered the price point form the 770. I think the 770 to 1070 price change is quite small when considering inflation.

It is possible the 11 series will have minimal price increases because the 12nm is very mature high yielding since it is just an optimization of the 16nm. This scenario helped reduce the 970 prices.
However, GDDR6 is liekly expensive, and if the 1180 comes with 16Gb then prices will liekly have to increase.

 

[TNA]

Contrary to what most people think they are not really for LN2 benching (even though they have the tools to do it).

The way to think of them is as the ultimate gaming card with a solid copper cooler which works very well on air and the high ASIC allowed them to boost to very high clockspeeds on stock volts, default clocks and standard bios.

If they were genuine out and out LN2 cards there would be no point in supplying them with a cooler of any kind but if EVGA did this they would have very few sales.

How much extra performance does all this mean vs say a typical card with a big aftermarket cooler on it? From what I have seen in the past, not much.

I think if we ever entered a period where card upgrade cycles were a minimum 3 year, then I could maybe justify the extra expense. Way I have always seen it is I would rather a 1080 than a 980Ti Kingpin Edition.

I remember when Hoblib Ali (think that is his name) purchased two 980Ti Kingpins and then a few weeks later the 1080 came out which was quite a bit cheaper. He was not very happy about this as you can imagine. In the end he took a huge hit and sold the Kingpins and went for 1080’s as I recall.

 

[dirty]

The next gen of consoles could kill PC gaming for good as a mass participation sport IMO for all but the most committed tech die-hards, willing to throw money at it.

The new gen of consoles will finally have a decent Ryzen based 6/8 core CPU, 10-12Tflop (at least) GPU and a minimum 16GB of GDDR6 RAM, which should mean finally that they're able to run most games at 4K (albeit chequerboard) 60fps, all for a fixed price outlay of £400-£500.

In the obscenely overpriced world of PC gaming, the reasons NOT to choose console gaming over PC gaming are getting less & less.

I priced up a complete new build PC & G-Sync Monitor the other day, something which I only treat myself to every 4-5yrs or so, and to buy the PC I want to to the desired spec I want, which would last me for the next 4-5yrs, without having to do a Mobo, CPU , RAM & storage upgrade mid life, leaving only a mid life GPU upgrade, came to a staggering £3500! and the truth is I simply don't game enough any more to justify such an amount.

..suddenly a compromised PS5/Xbox Two looked mighty tempting.

You really think you'd need a mid-life GPU upgrade? I kinda feel like graphical demand has stalled a little these last few years. To think Witcher 3 was 2015 and it's no more demanding then any game I can think of releasing in 2018/2019.

You really pay for that G-Sync tech though. Imagine if AMD could compete with the high end Nvidia cards, they'd get a lot of sales just because freesync monitors are so much cheaper.

I would'nt blame them, peeps did lap up the RX580 after-all

and the R9 cards

 

[bigmike20vt]

To think Witcher 3 was 2015 and it's no more demanding then any game I can think of releasing in 2018/2019.

i think most taxing games running with the pimax 8k is going to need everything you can throw at it AND the kitchen sink if you want full detail.

not to mention 3 screeners who are contemplating the jump to 4k.

I agree however that for general gaming at 1080p a 780ti is still a great proposition and for the likes of enthusiasts like us that may suck.... but for people with moderate income and families that isnt the worst news in the world.

 

[Kaapstad]

How much extra performance does all this mean vs say a typical card with a big aftermarket cooler on it? From what I have seen in the past, not much.

I think if we ever entered a period where card upgrade cycles were a minimum 3 year, then I could maybe justify the extra expense. Way I have always seen it is I would rather a 1080 than a 980Ti Kingpin Edition.

I remember when Hoblib Ali (think that is his name) purchased two 980Ti Kingpins and then a few weeks later the 1080 came out which was quite a bit cheaper. He was not very happy about this as you can imagine. In the end he took a huge hit and sold the Kingpins and went for 1080’s as I recall.

The performance of the 80%+ ASIC Kingpin 980 Ti on air was about the same as one of the better Maxwell Titans + Waterblock.

If some one could justify buying a the Titan option then the Kingpin option was also good.

My biggest criticism of EVGA as you point out is that the Kingpin often appears too late in the day. A good example of this is the 1080 Ti Kingpin which was totally pointless if you wanted max performance as the Titan V took its place and even Vince "Kingpin" ended up using the Volta cards for benching.

 

[DELETED_195422]

No disrespect, but let me push you over by saying good riddance. Nearly every post of yours I have seen is a moan at one thing or the other. I am a lurker but you got me to log in to try and put you out of you misery.

Cheer up, try to add some value with your posts rather than the constant doom and gloom or bugger off I say.

Listen, don't blame me for your hobby going down the crapper. Everyone knows the PC market is BS just now.

Wake up and get with the times. Of course people aren't going to be happy.

If the market improves, i'll give credit where credit is due.

Until then, i'll keep posting. If you don't like my opinions, then **** off!

I do agree it's been a bad last decade for sure.
With Intel milking in absence of AMD. Nvidia milking in absence of AMD. Ram price fixing. And games like no man's sky being released full of lies, most games on steam now being buggy, alpha messes that never receive updates. The glory days and well and truly in the past. Remember the late 90s when games were amazing, each new GPU was twice as good as the last and CPUs were marching forward. Memory was cheap as chips.

Yep, i've got a couple of mates that have had enough and already jumped ship to consoles or retro gaming. Won't be doing it myself though.