Poll: General election voting intentions poll

Voting intentions in the General Election - only use the poll if you intend to vote

  • Alliance Party of Northern Ireland

    Votes: 2 0.3%
  • Conservative

    Votes: 287 42.0%
  • Democratic Unionist Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 67 9.8%
  • Labour

    Votes: 108 15.8%
  • Liberal Democrat

    Votes: 25 3.7%
  • Other party (not named)

    Votes: 15 2.2%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.3%
  • Respect Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Scottish National Party

    Votes: 36 5.3%
  • Social Democratic and Labour Party

    Votes: 1 0.1%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 4 0.6%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 137 20.0%

  • Total voters
    684
  • Poll closed .
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Also even if it is correct, it still means these people are working, getting paid, and probably spending said wages on nice things. Which in turns helps the economy...

I stated "either low paid or so called modern apprenticeships". You are aware that people on tax credits still in poverty yes they maybe working but it is not fuelling the economy that is why the deficit has grown not shrunk.

The government have targeted the poor for very little gain other than more votes from those who lean right. The economy is no better even with all the cuts.
 
The economic value of an employed vs unemployed person is more than the sum of their income tax contributions, I thought that would be pretty obvious!

My point is simple to understand, if the government are giving breaks to employers and also making up wages through Tax Credits then the value is truly limited.
 
I stated "either low paid or so called modern apprenticeships". You are aware that people on tax credits still in poverty yes they maybe working but it is not fuelling the economy that is why the deficit has grown not shrunk.

The government have targeted the poor for very little gain other than more votes from those who lean right. The economy is no better even with all the cuts.

Ergh. The P word. People living in the UK should never be described as living in poverty... maybe exception to those who are actually homeless.

Anyways, these people you speak of, the people 'living in poverty'. We are talking about jobs created aren't we? So before these jobs they were unemployed?

I'm failing to see your argument?

Before jobs unemployed, on benefits presumably. After job creation employed? But low wage...
 
My point is simple to understand, if the government are giving breaks to employers and also making up wages through Tax Credits then the value is truly limited.

Would they provide better 'value' if they were unemployed? Beyond their own personal well-being of course, which apparently doesn't matter.

Measuring people by their economic value sounds like the sort of thing you'd expect from someone far, far to the right of the Conservatives!
 
Before jobs unemployed, on benefits presumably. After job creation employed? But low wage...

What was gained, the tax payer was paying for their benefits whilst being unemployed and now the tax payer is now paying for in work benefits whilst they are employed when in reality the employer should be paying a living wage therefore reducing the burden on the tax payer.

The government austerity drive has not worked as evidenced by the increase in the deficit.
 
Would they provide better 'value' if they were unemployed? Beyond their own personal well-being of course, which apparently doesn't matter.

Measuring people by their economic value sounds like the sort of thing you'd expect from someone far, far to the right of the Conservatives!

That's the problem with the government job drive, stick someone on a zero hours contract who then is treated like a slave won't do much for anyone's self esteem.
 
What was gained, the tax payer was paying for their benefits whilst being unemployed and now the tax payer is now paying for in work benefits whilst they are employed when in reality the employer should be paying a living wage therefore reducing the burden on the tax payer.

The government austerity drive has not worked as evidenced by the increase in the deficit.

My understanding is that as a % of GDP it was on the decrease? As far as I'm aware too the trend in debt is falling. The deficit doesn't just start falling overnight.

Anyways are we really debating the economy here with regards to what political entity should be in charge of it? Labour did a terrific job last time round..:rolleyes:
 
Read this article the other day, found it quite funny but quite on point.

Labour; politics of envy.

When I’m in London I stay in a modest flat on the top of a tower block just a few yards from the extremely unglamorous and very noisy Shepherd’s Bush Green. By no stretch of the imagination is it a mansion, but if we get Ed Miliband as prime minister he’ll say that it is and charge me £30,000 every year for the privilege of owning it.

That isn’t completely the end of the world while I have a job, but one day, when my bladder has become leaky and I’ve been sacked, Miliband will still be on the doorstep every April demanding that I hand over 1% of what my flat is worth.

Apparently, if I really can’t afford his stupid new tax, he’ll let me pay after I’ve died and the flat has been sold. So that’s good news. To meet his demands I shall have to commit suicide.

Now I’m not going to get bogged down here in a verbal assault on the Labour leader. Because what worries me is that we are living in a country where he stands a very real chance of winning the election.

The mansion tax is popular. People have been told — by the Daily Mail, oddly enough — that the rich spend their time quaffing champagne, gorging on swan and jetting in and out of Los Angeles international airport with a dead leopard on their heads. And they think that it’s only fair these people should do their fair share to help those who live in Scotland.

Oh, for crying out loud, they already do — apart from Lewis Hamilton, obviously, but don’t worry about him, because to avoid paying his whack he has to live in Monaco, which on the Clarksometer is the second-worst place in the entire world.

No. Most rich people do contribute, and contribute massively. In fact it has been said that Britain’s wealthiest 1% pay almost a third of all the income tax received by the Treasury. But still Miliband wants them to cough up more. And the electorate may well decide he should get it. Which will cause the rich to move elsewhere, which will cause tax receipts to go down, not up (see France for details).

The mansion tax makes absolutely no sense, but it’s popular because in this country there’s a sense that the sun will shine every day and Scarlett Johansson will tuck you in every night if the pigs at the top have less on their table. This, however, is a theory that only really works in a weed-infested sixth-form common room.

Let’s take Warren Buffett as an example. He’s worth £48bn, which means he’s richer than Cambodia and Ghana put together, and there are those who say no single person should have this much money. Fine. So what if we took his fortune away and spread it out evenly among everyone else? You wouldn’t even get a tenner.

Let’s bring it closer to home. Let’s say we confiscated the assets of the Duke of Westminster and gave them all to the NHS. An excellent idea, a firebrand leftie would say. But his £8.5bn would be gone in less than a month.

I spoke the other day with a man who was cruising around the Caribbean on his extremely beautiful yacht. He told me that he would be there for a month more, after which he would switch to his slightly smaller yacht and sail to the Galapagos Islands for a few weeks.

Then he would fly in his private jet to Nice, where he’d rejoin his bigger boat for a summer in the Mediterranean, after which he’d go to his game reserve in South Africa.

Today this sort of thing is seen as revolting, and I cannot see why. Yes, he was born into a wealthy family and that makes him very lucky. But what difference does it make to you that he is spending the next six months on holiday?

It doesn’t matter whether he’s swimming with the turtles in the Pacific or working as a filing clerk in Watford: you will still live in the same house with the same stains on the carpet and the same wonky car.

Let me put it this way. If you hit a supermodel in the face with a tyre iron, would that somehow make the rest of the nation’s women more beautiful? Would your horse be faster if you cut one of Frankel’s legs off?

A couple of weeks ago a buffoon called Chris Bryant said it was iniquitous that the arts in Britain were dominated by people who’d been educated privately. There’s James Blunt, and Chris Martin out of Coldplay, and, er, Florence Welch out of the Machine, and, um . . .

The fact is this. Of the UK artists who had a top 40 album between 2010 and last year 72% went to a state school and 62% did not go to university.

So the shadow culture minister is talking out of his privately educated back bottom. Pop music is dominated by public-school kids in the same way as parliament is dominated by Liberal Democrats.

And anyway, who gives a damn? When I hear a tune I like, I don’t think, “Well, I’m not buying that because it was recorded by a load of smelly, poor people from a council estate”, any more than I think when I hear The Lady in Red, “Ah, this chap went to private school so it must be marvellous.”

Normal souls don’t think like the bitter and the twisted. I look at the people with whom I socialise now and I don’t have a clue where half of them went to school. I don’t care. Nor does anyone I know.

We employ the best candidates, choose friends based on their kindness and sense of wit and go to work to earn as much as we can. It’s not complicated.

But if Miliband wins the election it’ll get extremely complicated because everyone whose home is worth more than £2m will have to become a rent boy — or dead. Happily I’ve come up with a plan. I shall start a business and tour the country, valuing everyone’s house, no matter how big it is, at £1.9m.
 
Conservative for me.

Millibland and Balls up are clueless and have learned nothing from their last term in office, never mind the thought of that twonk representing us on the world stage!

Clegg and co are consigned to the political dustbin although somewhat unfairly, they did after all enter the coalition knowing it would be electoral suicide for them but did it for the good of the nation.

Farage is a dangerous threat to us all with the facade of the nice bloke down the pub.

And the greens? Just LOL.

Alas I fear we'll get a Labour minority administration propped up by whoever they can persuade to join them and the last few years of trying (not always succeeding) to put the country back on an even keel will be for nothing, fast forward five years and the mess we're still in now will seem like the good times!


Cameron is the best of a pretty shoddy lot IMO, we don't have "conviction politicians" any more, we have politicians without backbone, scared of the media and unable or unwilling to say it how it actually is.
 
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Read this article the other day, found it quite funny but quite on point.

Labour; politics of envy.

When I’m in London I stay in a modest flat on the top of a tower block just a few yards from the extremely unglamorous and very noisy Shepherd’s Bush Green. By no stretch of the imagination is it a mansion, but if we get Ed Miliband as prime minister he’ll say that it is and charge me £30,000 every year for the privilege of owning it.

That isn’t completely the end of the world while I have a job, but one day, when my bladder has become leaky and I’ve been sacked, Miliband will still be on the doorstep every April demanding that I hand over 1% of what my flat is worth.

Apparently, if I really can’t afford his stupid new tax, he’ll let me pay after I’ve died and the flat has been sold. So that’s good news. To meet his demands I shall have to commit suicide.

Now I’m not going to get bogged down here in a verbal assault on the Labour leader. Because what worries me is that we are living in a country where he stands a very real chance of winning the election.

The mansion tax is popular. People have been told — by the Daily Mail, oddly enough — that the rich spend their time quaffing champagne, gorging on swan and jetting in and out of Los Angeles international airport with a dead leopard on their heads. And they think that it’s only fair these people should do their fair share to help those who live in Scotland.

Oh, for crying out loud, they already do — apart from Lewis Hamilton, obviously, but don’t worry about him, because to avoid paying his whack he has to live in Monaco, which on the Clarksometer is the second-worst place in the entire world.

No. Most rich people do contribute, and contribute massively. In fact it has been said that Britain’s wealthiest 1% pay almost a third of all the income tax received by the Treasury. But still Miliband wants them to cough up more. And the electorate may well decide he should get it. Which will cause the rich to move elsewhere, which will cause tax receipts to go down, not up (see France for details).

The mansion tax makes absolutely no sense, but it’s popular because in this country there’s a sense that the sun will shine every day and Scarlett Johansson will tuck you in every night if the pigs at the top have less on their table. This, however, is a theory that only really works in a weed-infested sixth-form common room.

Let’s take Warren Buffett as an example. He’s worth £48bn, which means he’s richer than Cambodia and Ghana put together, and there are those who say no single person should have this much money. Fine. So what if we took his fortune away and spread it out evenly among everyone else? You wouldn’t even get a tenner.

Let’s bring it closer to home. Let’s say we confiscated the assets of the Duke of Westminster and gave them all to the NHS. An excellent idea, a firebrand leftie would say. But his £8.5bn would be gone in less than a month.

I spoke the other day with a man who was cruising around the Caribbean on his extremely beautiful yacht. He told me that he would be there for a month more, after which he would switch to his slightly smaller yacht and sail to the Galapagos Islands for a few weeks.

Then he would fly in his private jet to Nice, where he’d rejoin his bigger boat for a summer in the Mediterranean, after which he’d go to his game reserve in South Africa.

Today this sort of thing is seen as revolting, and I cannot see why. Yes, he was born into a wealthy family and that makes him very lucky. But what difference does it make to you that he is spending the next six months on holiday?

It doesn’t matter whether he’s swimming with the turtles in the Pacific or working as a filing clerk in Watford: you will still live in the same house with the same stains on the carpet and the same wonky car.

Let me put it this way. If you hit a supermodel in the face with a tyre iron, would that somehow make the rest of the nation’s women more beautiful? Would your horse be faster if you cut one of Frankel’s legs off?

A couple of weeks ago a buffoon called Chris Bryant said it was iniquitous that the arts in Britain were dominated by people who’d been educated privately. There’s James Blunt, and Chris Martin out of Coldplay, and, er, Florence Welch out of the Machine, and, um . . .

The fact is this. Of the UK artists who had a top 40 album between 2010 and last year 72% went to a state school and 62% did not go to university.

So the shadow culture minister is talking out of his privately educated back bottom. Pop music is dominated by public-school kids in the same way as parliament is dominated by Liberal Democrats.

And anyway, who gives a damn? When I hear a tune I like, I don’t think, “Well, I’m not buying that because it was recorded by a load of smelly, poor people from a council estate”, any more than I think when I hear The Lady in Red, “Ah, this chap went to private school so it must be marvellous.”

Normal souls don’t think like the bitter and the twisted. I look at the people with whom I socialise now and I don’t have a clue where half of them went to school. I don’t care. Nor does anyone I know.

We employ the best candidates, choose friends based on their kindness and sense of wit and go to work to earn as much as we can. It’s not complicated.

But if Miliband wins the election it’ll get extremely complicated because everyone whose home is worth more than £2m will have to become a rent boy — or dead. Happily I’ve come up with a plan. I shall start a business and tour the country, valuing everyone’s house, no matter how big it is, at £1.9m.

Perfect! :D
 
What was gained, the tax payer was paying for their benefits whilst being unemployed and now the tax payer is now paying for in work benefits whilst they are employed when in reality the employer should be paying a living wage therefore reducing the burden on the tax payer.

So not only is it better to be unemployed than to be be in a low-paid job, you are criticising the tories for giving the working classes too much in the way of tax breaks?

Some crazy world you are living in....
 
nowhere near as disturbing as anyone still willing to vote Labour. ;)

Wouldn't vote for labour either. The handling of the Westminster paedophile ring by the Tories should set alarm bells ringing off about why the Tories along with Labour and the Lib Dems are not for for office.
 
I think UKIP will get my vote, having read a couple of the long running UKIP threads here I can't find any real arguments of strength why not to vote UKIP although that may change nearer the election. Great to see labour doing badly in the poll but surprised at the number of green votes.
 
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