Poll: General election voting intentions poll

Voting intentions in the General Election - only use the poll if you intend to vote

  • Alliance Party of Northern Ireland

    Votes: 2 0.3%
  • Conservative

    Votes: 287 42.0%
  • Democratic Unionist Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 67 9.8%
  • Labour

    Votes: 108 15.8%
  • Liberal Democrat

    Votes: 25 3.7%
  • Other party (not named)

    Votes: 15 2.2%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.3%
  • Respect Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Scottish National Party

    Votes: 36 5.3%
  • Social Democratic and Labour Party

    Votes: 1 0.1%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 4 0.6%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 137 20.0%

  • Total voters
    684
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Read this article the other day, found it quite funny but quite on point.

Labour; politics of envy.

When I’m in London I stay in a modest flat on the top of a tower block just a few yards from the extremely unglamorous and very noisy Shepherd’s Bush Green. By no stretch of the imagination is it a mansion, but if we get Ed Miliband as prime minister he’ll say that it is and charge me £30,000 every year for the privilege of owning it.

That isn’t completely the end of the world while I have a job, but one day, when my bladder has become leaky and I’ve been sacked, Miliband will still be on the doorstep every April demanding that I hand over 1% of what my flat is worth.

Apparently, if I really can’t afford his stupid new tax, he’ll let me pay after I’ve died and the flat has been sold. So that’s good news. To meet his demands I shall have to commit suicide.

Now I’m not going to get bogged down here in a verbal assault on the Labour leader. Because what worries me is that we are living in a country where he stands a very real chance of winning the election.

The mansion tax is popular. People have been told — by the Daily Mail, oddly enough — that the rich spend their time quaffing champagne, gorging on swan and jetting in and out of Los Angeles international airport with a dead leopard on their heads. And they think that it’s only fair these people should do their fair share to help those who live in Scotland.

Oh, for crying out loud, they already do — apart from Lewis Hamilton, obviously, but don’t worry about him, because to avoid paying his whack he has to live in Monaco, which on the Clarksometer is the second-worst place in the entire world.

No. Most rich people do contribute, and contribute massively. In fact it has been said that Britain’s wealthiest 1% pay almost a third of all the income tax received by the Treasury. But still Miliband wants them to cough up more. And the electorate may well decide he should get it. Which will cause the rich to move elsewhere, which will cause tax receipts to go down, not up (see France for details).

The mansion tax makes absolutely no sense, but it’s popular because in this country there’s a sense that the sun will shine every day and Scarlett Johansson will tuck you in every night if the pigs at the top have less on their table. This, however, is a theory that only really works in a weed-infested sixth-form common room.

Let’s take Warren Buffett as an example. He’s worth £48bn, which means he’s richer than Cambodia and Ghana put together, and there are those who say no single person should have this much money. Fine. So what if we took his fortune away and spread it out evenly among everyone else? You wouldn’t even get a tenner.

Let’s bring it closer to home. Let’s say we confiscated the assets of the Duke of Westminster and gave them all to the NHS. An excellent idea, a firebrand leftie would say. But his £8.5bn would be gone in less than a month.

I spoke the other day with a man who was cruising around the Caribbean on his extremely beautiful yacht. He told me that he would be there for a month more, after which he would switch to his slightly smaller yacht and sail to the Galapagos Islands for a few weeks.

Then he would fly in his private jet to Nice, where he’d rejoin his bigger boat for a summer in the Mediterranean, after which he’d go to his game reserve in South Africa.

Today this sort of thing is seen as revolting, and I cannot see why. Yes, he was born into a wealthy family and that makes him very lucky. But what difference does it make to you that he is spending the next six months on holiday?

It doesn’t matter whether he’s swimming with the turtles in the Pacific or working as a filing clerk in Watford: you will still live in the same house with the same stains on the carpet and the same wonky car.

Let me put it this way. If you hit a supermodel in the face with a tyre iron, would that somehow make the rest of the nation’s women more beautiful? Would your horse be faster if you cut one of Frankel’s legs off?

A couple of weeks ago a buffoon called Chris Bryant said it was iniquitous that the arts in Britain were dominated by people who’d been educated privately. There’s James Blunt, and Chris Martin out of Coldplay, and, er, Florence Welch out of the Machine, and, um . . .

The fact is this. Of the UK artists who had a top 40 album between 2010 and last year 72% went to a state school and 62% did not go to university.

So the shadow culture minister is talking out of his privately educated back bottom. Pop music is dominated by public-school kids in the same way as parliament is dominated by Liberal Democrats.

And anyway, who gives a damn? When I hear a tune I like, I don’t think, “Well, I’m not buying that because it was recorded by a load of smelly, poor people from a council estate”, any more than I think when I hear The Lady in Red, “Ah, this chap went to private school so it must be marvellous.”

Normal souls don’t think like the bitter and the twisted. I look at the people with whom I socialise now and I don’t have a clue where half of them went to school. I don’t care. Nor does anyone I know.

We employ the best candidates, choose friends based on their kindness and sense of wit and go to work to earn as much as we can. It’s not complicated.

But if Miliband wins the election it’ll get extremely complicated because everyone whose home is worth more than £2m will have to become a rent boy — or dead. Happily I’ve come up with a plan. I shall start a business and tour the country, valuing everyone’s house, no matter how big it is, at £1.9m.

Massive amounts of hyperbole but quite amusing.

The rich should be sharing their fair share of the burden, rather than it being disproportionately weighted towards the poor. But money begets money and dare politicians attack their masters they'll get derided.
 
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The cuts made by the Conservatives were small, which is why we're still running at a loss with an unbalanced economy.

The total number of jobs lost in the public sector under the coalition was about 1 million, which includes about 150,000 from the Royal Mail privatisation. This compares to millions of jobs created in the private sector. Even if two thirds of those were low paid, you'd still have more new private sector jobs than you would have cut from the public sector.

Millions of jobs? How many are zero-hours / minimum wage jobs? I can tell you that cuts to local services (especially adult services), Fire & Police haven't been 'small'.

What was gained, the tax payer was paying for their benefits whilst being unemployed and now the tax payer is now paying for in work benefits whilst they are employed when in reality the employer should be paying a living wage therefore reducing the burden on the tax payer.

Exactly, but because they're working the masses think that's OK despite them being paid benefits by the Government, sometimes greater than what they'd get on JSA.

Many would argue that Labour completely made up jobs in the public sector during their god awful reign. Middle management in the NHS was disgraceful. Kept the unemployment figure down though...

I can say as a Public Sector employee it isn't Middle Management taking the brunt of the job losses.
 
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I can say as a Public Sector employee it isn't Middle Management taking the brunt of the job losses.

I didn't say they were. Ofc it's going to be the guys at the bottom. All the people labour put into middle management will be calling most of the shots. They aren't going to make themselves redundant now they have it easy..
 
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I didn't say they were. Ofc it's going to be the guys at the bottom. All the people labour put into middle management will be calling most of the shots. They aren't going to make themselves redundant now they have it easy..

Well seeing as, at least in the organisation I work and the one I worked prior to this one, we aren't heavily tilted towards middle management that doesn't seem that probable.

Sure there's protectionism but given how hard the axe is falling that's not surprising.
 
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Massive amounts of hyperbole but quite amusing.

The rich should be sharing their fair share of the burden, rather than it being disproportionately weighted towards the poor. But money begets money and dare politicians attack their masters they'll get derided.

Hyperbole is what he does best. Many people do not understand this.

The rich do. Like he pointed out, top 1% pay 30% of the tax. Wonder what the top 50% pay? Yes they aren't destitute but why should they be? Most of them have worked hard to earn their money...

He hits the nail on the head with.. It doesn’t matter whether he’s swimming with the turtles in the Pacific or working as a filing clerk in Watford: you will still live in the same house with the same stains on the carpet and the same wonky car.
 
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He hits the nail on the head with.. It doesn’t matter whether he’s swimming with the turtles in the Pacific or working as a filing clerk in Watford: you will still live in the same house with the same stains on the carpet and the same wonky car.

Yeah but he should be as miserable as me!
 

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Wouldn't vote for labour either. The handling of the Westminster paedophile ring by the Tories should set alarm bells ringing off about why the Tories along with Labour and the Lib Dems are not for for office.

Politicians come and go. Try and weed out the Civil Servants for change.
 
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Hard working normal people are getting totally screwed by tax bands.

Fairness would be the same tax band for everyone.

Because it's a PERCENTAGE of income.

The only problem is poor people don't understand percentages, so... rip.
 
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Like he pointed out, top 1% pay 30% of the tax.

This is because they get a huge share of the income. A share out of all proportion to their actual contribution.

Most of them have worked hard to earn their money...

So have a huge number of people at the bottom of the distribution. The rich are only able to be rich because of the work of other people.
 
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Read this article the other day, found it quite funny but quite on point.

Labour; politics of envy.

Rich Labour supporters are accused of being champagne socialists, poor Labour supporters are accused of being envious of others' success. Can't win, can they?

When I’m in London I stay in a modest flat on the top of a tower block just a few yards from the extremely unglamorous and very noisy Shepherd’s Bush Green. By no stretch of the imagination is it a mansion, but if we get Ed Miliband as prime minister he’ll say that it is and charge me £30,000 every year for the privilege of owning it.

I'd love to see what this 'modest flat' is like if it's worth £2+ million.
 
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Rich Labour supporters are accused of being champagne socialists, poor Labour supporters are accused of being envious of others' success. Can't win, can they?



I'd love to see what this 'modest flat' is like if it's worth £2+ million.

To give some idea: http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-46674679.html - think it's a lot closer to 'modest' than 'mansion'...

With regard to your other comment I was refering to the actualparty and it's MP's. Not it's supporters. But you have a point. However it's easy to be left wing when you are in fact rich...
 
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My understanding is that as a % of GDP it was on the decrease? As far as I'm aware too the trend in debt is falling. The deficit doesn't just start falling overnight.

So you've just proved you actually have no understanding or awareness of what is actually happening and just listen to the soundbites.

Great :p
 
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This is because they get a huge share of the income. A share out of all proportion to their actual contribution.



So have a huge number of people at the bottom of the distribution. The rich are only able to be rich because of the work of other people.

I fail to see your points...

Ok, people at the bottom work hard? Can almost guarantee people above them have worked that bit harder...

World of work 99% of the time.
 
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Hard working normal people are getting totally screwed by tax bands.

Fairness would be the same tax band for everyone.

Because it's a PERCENTAGE of income.

The only problem is poor people don't understand percentages, so... rip.

Wait? What? eh?

This must be the dumbest thing ever...

Must be trolling, surely?
 
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