Poll: General election voting intentions poll

[D.P.]

I will vote UKip

So I can get a vote on Europe. (I would vote us out at this point in time.)

Why don't you want to be in Europe?

A point system like OZ so we dont get the the unskilled immigrants that limit wage rises.

Australia has a higher immigration rate than the UK, do you also want more immigrants? How would this point system works when Britain needs a great number of people you call unskilled, Britain needs factory works, fruit pickers, people to clean out pigsty's, serve food, maid service, work in McDonalds. Will there be points for ability to make a bed, flip burgers, stack shelves? Or will these people be excluded, if so how will we fill those job positions? Do you know what the economic effects would be?

Better run NHS, with less pen pushers.

How will the UKIP achieve this when they want to privatize the NHS and cut it's budget, if not compleltely get ride of it. I quote UKIPer Paul Nuttall "I would argue that the very existence of the NHS stifles competition"

And the most important, I want a change from the same old same old Looney left and Tory boys) that have **** up this once great country.

How is uKIP any different. Nigel Farage has the exact same background as the established parties. UKIP is just an extreme Thatcherite party with even more regressive ideologies, tax cuts for the rich, deregulation of the banks, privitisation of services.

Labour will spend and spend and tax and tax with help from the SNP.

If spending increases the countries GDP and reduces the debt % then what is the problem, especially if the quality of life for many increases?

Tory boy will cut everything to the bone so much that it will hurt us all, unless you can pay for it.

The Tories will cut things far less than UKIPs manifesto pledges, so if you are against cuts then the UKIP is absolutely the last party you should be voting for.

That will do for a start

Did you read and comprehend their manifesto? Seems like you are gravely mistaken on many of the core policies.

 

[Mr Badger]

People tend to be scared about changing a view they are so sure of themselves on.

It's like to change your mind is to lose the internal war of the ego... it's an odd thing that is actually an extension of the fear of death.

It can be quite amusing sometimes to watch someone with that internal brain fart... it's like observing a short circuit in someone's brain.

It can be overcome, only the person with the brain fart needs to want to push past it... most don't even see it so stumble at the first hurdle

I wouldn't mind... but when people get these kinds of ideas stuck in their heads, the kind of ideas that force others under their will, the kind of ideas that squash, mutilate and deprive others for their own personal gain... that's when I have an issue with it... otherwise I would be happy to simply observe is as a form of social comic relief... the black guy in the horror movie who was never supposed to go into that house!!!



But yes... open and honest debate, with the willingness to share and learn (both sides, of course)... would be a nice thing to see... odd how rare it seems.

"When the Facts Change, I Change My Mind. What Do You Do, Sir?"

 

[Judgeneo]

I don't think a UKIP voter has ever won an argument on to OCUK - they never, ever, ever answer any of the pertinent questions. and instead start dribbling at the mouth with some incoherent babbling monologue about taking their jobs.

So why has the vote share for right wing parties incl UKIP gone up in this OCUK poll compared to last time?

BTW I'm a UKIP supporter, but I don't argue for them on here anymore, as someone from one side or the other, always starts bleating on about immigration, which isn't really a reason I vote UKIP. I'm not really right wing either, I come from a staunch labour familly, and my dad even used to vote for the Socialist alternative for some time, which is the closest the UK (used) to have to communism.

The step to the right and away from Libertarianism by UKIP has alienated me somewhat, but they are still the only party that: Genuinely wants out of the EU (allowing them to reinstate fishing, proper agriculture policy, trade deals with foreign powers, no need to confrom to EU economic standards, be in charge of our own laws etc...), wants to reduce PFI, is pro nuclear and pro shale, doesn't treat the NHS like divine institute, is pro-grammar schools, doesn't want the whole country to go to university, will actually fund defence, downsize the BBC, and aims at the simplest taxation system out of any party.

 

[platypus]

I will vote UKip

So I can get a vote on Europe. (I would vote us out at this point in time.)
A point system like OZ so we dont get the the unskilled immigrants that limit wage rises.
Better run NHS, with less pen pushers.
And the most important, I want a change from the same old same old Looney left and Tory boys) that have **** up this once great country.


Labour will spend and spend and tax and tax with help from the SNP.
Tory boy will cut everything to the bone so much that it will hurt us all, unless you can pay for it.

That will do for a start

How will you get a vote on Europe by voting UKIP? As has been stated quite a few times - and it's not very hard to work out - if you vote for UKIP and split a conservative vote, the more likely outcome is Labour win the election, and they will not offer a referendum.

How will you get a points based immigration system by voting UKIP? Voting UKIP will not get them into power. No other party is (yet) offering a points based system. Your only hope here is to hope for a coalition involving several parties as well as UKIP, and that would not lead to a points based immigration system.

How will you get a better run NHS by voting UKIP? I'm not even sure where to start on that. How are UKIP going to bring about a sea change in the morass that is the NHS, for example "less pen pushers"?


The most important thing is you want a change from the same old people running the country...by voting for people who are pretty much entirely the same, by voting UKIP?

It might do for your start, but it's nonsensical. All of it.

 

[iamtheoneneo]

The only issue is they don't have any policies apart from pull out of europe and immigration.

sounds good to me!

 

[Lifelong]

The UKIP exists because when things don't go their way some people like to blame others, foreigners make a very easy excuse for why they are unemployed or don't earn higher salaries. UKIP also exists because some people are afraid of anyone who is different to them, be that ethnicity, sexuality, or a host of other arbitrary variables they can use to differentiate themselves from "the others".


If fears are based on rational clauses backed by evidence then the opinions can be freely debated, but that never tends to be the case. You can't have a rational debate with someone who is entrenched in their position through irrational means.

So you are denying that there are no problems at all with current immigration problems, or why it can be argued that there are problems (even if you don't agree with them)?

To be honest, in the few posts I've read of yours, I find your view points so closeminded that I consider you as bad as the racists and xenophobes. You seem genuinely incapable of seeing how others can have problems with all that you say is great.


Then again, seeing as you travel to the US a lot, seem to enjoy a nice lifestyle etc, you're probably so far removed from the reality, that your opinion is essentially worthless anyway.

 

[crinkleshoes]

* So no, crinkleshoes, I am not scared about putting my views out there to be critiqued. That's pretty much a job requirement for me.

I didn't say that... at all

 

[Terminal_Boy]

I want coalition government to become the norm, I just don't want UKIP or the SNP to be a part of it.

That would work well where both/all parties involved in the coalition had similar political views and objectives.

The ConLib coalition involved too many compromises on both sides and probably alienated some core supporters of both parties.

 

[platypus]

That would work well where both/all parties involved in the coalition had similar political views and objectives.

The ConLib coalition involved too many compromises on both sides and probably alienated some core supporters of both parties.

I don't disagree, but coalition is in its infancy in this country, and so given time I think could work, and more importantly work for the genuine good of the country, rather than political cliques trying to cling to power.

Works well for others .

 

[deuse]

Why don't you want to be in Europe?.

Why don't you want to live in the UK?

 

[Burnsy2023]

How will you get a vote on Europe by voting UKIP? As has been stated quite a few times - and it's not very hard to work out - if you vote for UKIP and split a conservative vote, the more likely outcome is Labour win the election, and they will not offer a referendum.

I still laugh at this. Not because it's not true, but that the public were given a referendum on AV which would have made this less of a problem and that was rejected. My mind still boggles at that.

 

[Burnsy2023]

Why don't you want to live in the UK?

You can live in both

 

[crinkleshoes]

So why has the vote share for right wing parties incl UKIP gone up in this OCUK poll compared to last time?

BTW I'm a UKIP supporter, but I don't argue for them on here anymore, as someone from one side or the other, always starts bleating on about immigration, which isn't really a reason I vote UKIP. I'm not really right wing either, I come from a staunch labour familly, and my dad even used to vote for the Socialist alternative for some time, which is the closest the UK (used) to have to communism.

The step to the right and away from Libertarianism by UKIP has alienated me somewhat, but they are still the only party that: Genuinely wants out of the EU (allowing them to reinstate fishing, proper agriculture policy, trade deals with foreign powers, no need to confrom to EU economic standards, be in charge of our own laws etc...), wants to reduce PFI, is pro nuclear and pro shale, doesn't treat the NHS like divine institute, is pro-grammar schools, doesn't want the whole country to go to university, will actually fund defence, downsize the BBC, and aims at the simplest taxation system out of any party.

If you vote for UKIP though, you are voting for ALL of their policies... you don't just get to pick and choose your favourites.

But thank you for calmly and plainly sharing your views.

I prefer the Swiss system... they vote on just about everything, even the most basic of things... the public gets a choice in everything, not simply which monarchy subsidiary to be ruled by for a few years.

 

[D.P.]

So you are denying that there are no problems at all with current immigration problems, or why it can be argued that there are problems (even if you don't agree with them)?

To be honest, in the few posts I've read of yours, I find your view points so closeminded that I consider you as bad as the racists and xenophobes. You seem genuinely incapable of seeing how others can have problems with all that you say is great.


Then again, seeing as you travel to the US a lot, seem to enjoy a nice lifestyle etc, you're probably so far removed from the reality, that your opinion is essentially worthless anyway.

Where did I say there is no problem with current immigration or that is can't be argued? I haven't all I have said is an argument needs to form around a rational basis and use facts and evidence to support it.

Close-minded, absolutely ridiculous. I am very open to all forms of intelligent debate, but that qualifier is important.

 

[eatcustard]

I will answer your answers when I get back from work

 

[D.P.]

Why don't you want to live in the UK?

You can live in both the UK and Europe, around 60 million people currently do that!

 

[deuse]

You can live in both

What a silly answer. You do know that even if we're not in the EU we can still live anywhere in the EU?

Well it's just that they will do checks like the use to do to stop the un-wanted.

 

[deuse]

You can live in both the UK and Europe, around 60 million people currently do that!

As I 've said you live in the USA not Europe. Jesus H Christ.

You asked someone why they want to leave the EU and I asked you why you DON'T live in the EU\UK?

 

[crinkleshoes]

So you are denying that there are no problems at all with current immigration problems, or why it can be argued that there are problems (even if you don't agree with them)?

To be honest, in the few posts I've read of yours, I find your view points so closeminded that I consider you as bad as the racists and xenophobes. You seem genuinely incapable of seeing how others can have problems with all that you say is great.


Then again, seeing as you travel to the US a lot, seem to enjoy a nice lifestyle etc, you're probably so far removed from the reality, that your opinion is essentially worthless anyway.

What immigration "problems", exactly?

Have you actually taken a look at the facts and figures or simply had a quick look at manifestos and headlines?

How do you think this "problem" compares with the uneducated, barely educated, over educated and unnecessarily educated UK youth who are doing nothing because they perhaps consider themselves too privileged to work in a field or another menial job? The jobs that are filled by all these terrible abominable immigrants.

These jobs wouldn't be available to "the immigrants" if UK kids could be bothered to get off their arses and work.

I consider myself lucky that I only had to do about 14 months or crappy grunt work before I landed a better job... but the names I worked for doing the grunt work are the very thing that landed me that next better job.

Take a look at the figures involved, they might give you more to work with.



What about UK-born "immigrants" that have selfishly imposed themselves on other countries and taken jobs from their locals. Did you realise that the UK has actually sent more people to other countries than the UK has taken in?

 

[Sharlaw]

But yes... open and honest debate, with the willingness to share and learn (both sides, of course)... would be a nice thing to see... odd how rare it seems.

That would be refreshing. Each side seems to spend way to much time coming up with clever put-downs or scathing comebacks, witty one liners and soundbites. Whilst giving very little of actual substance.

The party manifesto's are nothing more than a PR exercise now, trying to balance show all the wonderful things they can do, whilst keeping the amount of things they won't/can't/may not be able to do at a minimum so they don't get beaten around the head with it later on. Which is very difficult considering the opposition parties don't have much access to the civil service so balancing the books is impossible without knowing exactly what you have to play with.

People are so disillusioned with the main parties, due to scandal and simply never being sure if you're getting the truth or being lied to. The outlying parties are scooping up voters by pandering to the people who lap up Daily Mail articles without taking the time to look up the truth about the misinformation and rumormongering our media seems to thrive on.

I'm not sure who I'll vote for but I don't think the conservatives have done a bad job considering the issues they've had to deal with.