German Grand Prix 2010, Hockenheimring Circuit - Race 11/19

sunama · 25 Jul 2010 at 15:55

gord said:
Rule #1 of team orders, don't make it sound like team orders.
Rule #2 of team orders, don't make it look like team orders.
Rule #3 of team orders, never admit to team orders.

LOL.

In fairness, the balls up today, was caused by Massa making the team order, obvious (which is understandable). It was also caused by Massa's engineer making it obvious that a team order was now being issued (which is understandable).

Ferrari knew that they were going to take a serious pummelling from the media/public, but they decided that winning the title is obviously more important.

Lopéz · 25 Jul 2010 at 15:56

LOL @ EJ to Vettel - "Your conversation rate is hopeless!"

dannyjo22 · 25 Jul 2010 at 16:00

Shut up horner you liar, you already said your team wanted Webber to let Vettel past.

dannyjo22 · 25 Jul 2010 at 16:01

Look at Horners face he knows Brundle caught him out.

mmj_uk · 25 Jul 2010 at 16:02

Brundle totally KO'ed Horner there.

dannyjo22 · 25 Jul 2010 at 16:05

They already admitted the move over message wasn't passed onto webber as vettel was faster and now Horner is trying to take the moral high ground. Madness, everyone in that room knows it too which is why Brundle is on his case.

Psycho Ned · 25 Jul 2010 at 16:06

Think Horner turned up expecting an "aint Ferrari cheats" love in and got caught on the hop about their own Turkey stuff!

JUMPURS · 25 Jul 2010 at 16:20

mmj_uk said:
Coulthard will be lobbying for team orders again so that Red Bull can screw over Webber more regularly.

TBF all the other things to stop Schumaker have been removed, so why not this one?

dalin80 · 25 Jul 2010 at 16:22

If the stewards dont do anything this time around then they can never enforce that rule again and this season becomes a open season for the number 1's and we will see far less on track.

we already now know that massa will never win a race again.

Duke · 25 Jul 2010 at 16:23

dalin80 said:
we already now know that massa will never win a race again.

Only if Alonso is winning, which won't always happen.

dalin80 · 25 Jul 2010 at 16:26

Duke said:
Only if Alonso is winning, which won't always happen.

alonso wasnt winning today, and if they are after points they will always arrange for alonso to move in front.

Duke · 25 Jul 2010 at 16:31

Sorry if Alonso "could" win, should I say. Massa could win if Alonso is further down the grid.

knip · 25 Jul 2010 at 16:35

Just watching the replay, Oh my god, could that have been any more blatant, even the overtake was rubbish! I'm shocked. I hope that the FIA do something, but I doubt they will going on past history when it comes to Ferrari.

Jeez, even Smedleys "sorry" a few minutes later! :eek:

Psycho Ned · 25 Jul 2010 at 16:36

Marathon coverage from the BBC today still on the forum 2 hours odd after the race has finished! Great stuff from them :cool:

dalin80 · 25 Jul 2010 at 16:36

They wont do anything, teflonso rides again.

shrek2 · 25 Jul 2010 at 16:49

Surely Massa knew the score when he happily signed a new contract. I don't feel sorry for him at all tbh. If he wants to be number 1, he simply needs to start beating Alonso from the first race of the season.
Oh anyone else think Rob Smedly will be getting a bit of a bollocking? There are far mor certain ways of telling Massa to move.

Ice Globe · 25 Jul 2010 at 16:52

All these team orders lie with the fact that the teams want to win the drivers championship perhaps even more than the constructors.

In an ideal world the drivers should compete for the drivers, and the teams for the constructors. Then we wouldn't have all these silly events. The teams put too much emphasis on their team winning the drivers, who obviously rely on the car but the general public follows the driver not the team for the drivers championship.

knip · 25 Jul 2010 at 16:59

shrek2 said:
Oh anyone else think Rob Smedly will be getting a bit of a bollocking? There are far mor certain ways of telling Massa to move.

He was probably torn between doing what his employers told him to do, and what he felt as Massas race engineer. He had to do it, but didn't like it so did it in that tone of voice.

JRS · 25 Jul 2010 at 17:01

shrek2 said:
Surely Massa knew the score when he happily signed a new contract. I don't feel sorry for him at all tbh. If he wants to be number 1, he simply needs to start beating Alonso from the first race of the season.

Whatever Massa does, he will be the number 2 driver.

He drove for them in 2006, partnering Schumacher. He was number 2 driver - this was to be expected. 2007, Kimi came in as number 1 driver and dult took the title. 2008, Massa beat that number 1 driver. He had every reason to expect that he'd be the number 1 in the team from then on. Then in 2009 he got his head caved in by an errant spring off Barichello's car. He fights back up to fitness....and he's back down to number 2 driver as Alonso moves into the team.

He didn't stand a chance today. If he'd won, everyone would have said 'what a travesty, he only won it by luck at turn one, Ferrari are stupid for not swapping them'. He let his team-mate by....and people are on their case for it being a far too blatant example of team orders.

Hey ho.

Psycho Ned · 25 Jul 2010 at 17:01

From Noble F1 twitter:

Noble F1 said:
Ferrari has been fined $100,000 and referred to the World Motor Sport Council for team orders and bringing sport into disrepute
less than 20 seconds ago via TweetDeck

What referring them to the world motor sport council means I don't know, maybe for further punishment?