German Grand Prix 2010, Hockenheimring Circuit - Race 11/19

LOL.

I hope his comments are not interpreted as admission of guilt.

Ferrari absolutely must stick to their cover up story. If they admit guilt now, I can't see how they can "get away with it".
 
They will get away with it because Ferrari are Formula 1. When people think of F1, they usually think of Ferrari, and if Ferrari are kicked out the sport then Bernie Eccelstone (and others) knows he will likely loose a lot of viewers/sponsors/money.
 
I don't know if arguing their case is a good idea for Ferrari. The last two such WMSC meetings have very much had the attitude that if the offending party didn't come clean, and admit full guilt then they would come down much harder on them.
 
Fanatic said:
They will get away with it because Ferrari are Formula 1. When people think of F1, they usually think of Ferrari, and if Ferrari are kicked out the sport then Bernie Eccelstone (and others) knows he will likely loose a lot of viewers/sponsors/money.
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That's ridiculous, of course they'd never throw Ferrari out of the sport. It would take something insanely bad for any of the the top 7-8 teams to be ejected.

That's not the only punishment they can give though is it?

And I don't see how that statement can be seen as anything but an admission of guilt.
 
Setroc said:
I don't know if arguing their case is a good idea for Ferrari. The last two such WMSC meetings have very much had the attitude that if the offending party didn't come clean, and admit full guilt then they would come down much harder on them.
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When McLaren had their drama in 2007, they initially didnt come clean. In effect they had got away with holding Ferrari data.

Later that year, Ron Denis reported that his team did in fact have Ferrari data...this is when the **** hit the fan. Alonso then had to give evidence against his team...as did Rosa.

Had they come clean right from the start, maybe their punishment would not have been so bad.

In the same way, Ferrari have now built up a cover story. If they now decide to change their story and admit that they lied in the first instance, then their punishment is likely to be heavier. Its better to stick to the story and get punished than to admit that they lied in the first instance.
 
Fanatic said:
They will get away with it because Ferrari are Formula 1. When people think of F1, they usually think of Ferrari, and if Ferrari are kicked out the sport then Bernie Eccelstone (and others) knows he will likely loose a lot of viewers/sponsors/money.
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They wont be kicked out, no team would be, as shown with Renault and McLaren.

Doesn't mean they wont get punishment though. I can;'t see how they wont be punished, stewards have already found them guilty and passed them on to wmsc for further action above what the stewards can do.
 
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The question has to be: how severe will the punishment be and will it have an effect on this year's title race.
I really hope it doesnt effect the title race as I would love to see a Alonso battling with Hamilton as the season wears on.

I can see McLaren getting considerably quicker than what we saw in the last race (they used their revised car for the first time in a race, so their lack of pace was expected) and to see Hamilton and Alonso finally racing wheel to wheel will be a treat.
 
sunama said:
The question has to be: how severe will the punishment be and will it have an effect on this year's title race.
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I expect it will come down to what the WMSC thing should happen to the rule.
If the rule stands with no alteration I expect points to be striped from constructors.
If rule is clarified or removed, then I expect large fine.
Either way I doubt drivers title will be effected.

That's my guess anyway. But WMSC can pretty much do what ever it wants, so anything could happen.
 
I can't see why the WMSC should allow team orders. If they banned it at one stage, what has changed that would now make team orders OK?

The whole point originally was to prevent teams from manipulating the outcome of a race. Given the reaction of a lot F1 fans (ie. in the case of Alonso and Vettel), its obvious that the public don't like to see this sort of thing happen, hence, why would the rule be changed now?
 
As there is a to of support from inside the sport for it to be changed, as I said I don't think it will be supporters and sponsors don't like it.

Bernie says order regs need reviewing
Bernie Ecclestone admits a discussion on Formula 1’s team order regulations is needed in wake of the controversy caused by Ferrari at Hockenheim, with the commercial supremo in favour of allowing teams to manage their cars as they see fit.

Then you have pretty much every team boss saying it happens, EJ, DC & brundle all in agreement that team orders are part of F1. Difference is EJ is the only one who want rules to be stuck to.
 
We could just abolish the driver championship, just pool all point for a team/constructor championship. That would solve the problem. Might even make for some interesting new tactics as one driver has an overt strategy of helping his team mate, blocking others, backing up the pack etc.

To take an extreme position, there either has to be no team orders, or no drivers championship.
 
...and given that the race fans (judging by the response to the result of the last GP) still dislike teams asking drivers to allow another driver win, why would the powers that be, change the rule?

Nothing has changed since 2002.
 
sunama said:
I can see McLaren getting considerably quicker than what we saw in the last race (they used their revised car for the first time in a race, so their lack of pace was expected) and to see Hamilton and Alonso finally racing wheel to wheel will be a treat.
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I concede that you was right on this one sunama, and I was wrong. The blown diffuser has proven more difficult for McLaren than I at first thought. My bad.

Anyway, I now adopt your thinking and I believe that McLaren will very quickly get their car dialled into take advantage of the new diffuser.

I really think RBR will begin to fade quite strongly now, almost like what happened to Brawn last year. And the championship fight will be between Ferrari and McLaren. I'm not convinced Ferrari will be able to catch up enough on the WCC though to win that.
 
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