Gibbo ETA for 3900x?

[apostolis_kt]

the problem with retailer gouging is, it gives the product manufacturer a bad name as everyone (who doesnt know better) assumes its amd or intel inflating the prices and they are assuming wrong. but word of mouth is a powerful thing.. i understand the need for retailers making profit, but some shops take it to the extreme and will blame the likes of brexit; with stock that was brought prior or the pound to dollar on previously brought stock. any excuse to raise it, but less keen to bring it back down again. just think when the cpu is back at retail price on black friday and the people who dont understand how retailers work; the retailer is claiming its on sale down from the inflated price!
but if people are buying them at inflated prices, then its ultimately the peoples fault, as if they didnt but them, the price would drop.
i got my 3900x £100 of RRP and wouldnt even buy one above retail (any pc component), regardless of how badly it was wanted or needed.

It is the people's fault to some extend but to some other it could be more factors here as well, ie AMD not foreseeing demand of these and not producing much etc.
I am a good example, as I kinda desperately need a new system.
I am on a very old p775 q9550 c2q setup as i have been waiting for the new zen 2 procs since literally when they got announced last Christmas. Non stop waiting, they got released in July, i almost bought it, but then i read bad staff about clocks, thermals and the x570 etc, and was contemplating to get the 3900 or 3950x. I need the new pc as i have 2 vega 56's that the q9550 cannot drive even one on 1080p at my main monitor, but can drive at 4k at the TV!! .

In that aspect now i have 2 gpus sitting wasting time away so i need the new build. If it was my day to day bread maker i would have built a new pc ages ago, but with the price gouge i just don't feel right in throwing £100 down the drain just because i didn't buy in July. Other people would though if they are in need. Business economics i guess.

 

[4K8KW10]

It is the people's fault to some extend but to some other it could be more factors here as well, ie AMD not foreseeing demand of these and not producing much etc.
I am a good example, as I kinda desperately need a new system.
I am on a very old p775 q9550 c2q setup as i have been waiting for the new zen 2 procs since literally when they got announced last Christmas. Non stop waiting, they got released in July, i almost bought it, but then i read bad staff about clocks, thermals and the x570 etc, and was contemplating to get the 3900 or 3950x. I need the new pc as i have 2 vega 56's that the q9550 cannot drive even one on 1080p at my main monitor, but can drive at 4k at the TV!! .

In that aspect now i have 2 gpus sitting wasting time away so i need the new build. If it was my day to day bread maker i would have built a new pc ages ago, but with the price gouge i just don't feel right in throwing £100 down the drain just because i didn't buy in July. Other people would though if they are in need. Business economics i guess.

You can buy the cheapest Ryzen 7 2700 and it will be gigantic upgrade over a C2Q Q9550.

 

[apostolis_kt]

You can buy the cheapest Ryzen 7 2700 and it will be gigantic upgrade over a C2Q Q9550.

Definitelly, anything since 2008 is a lot better. I also want something that will last as long as possible so if i can future proof my system i will do so.

 

[MartinPrince]

Ryzen 9 3900X is the most expensive but in some applications it is still slower than the cheaper i9-9900K. In gaming it is slower than even the cheaper i7-9700K.

If you're buying the 3900X just for gaming then you're probably getting the wrong CPU. I'm talking from a point of using applications that take advantage of all 12 cores and from that perspective it is way better than a 9900K.

Even in gaming at 1440p or 4K there is small to no difference.

 

[Minstadave]

If you're buying the 3900X just for gaming then you're probably getting the wrong CPU. I'm talking from a point of using applications that take advantage of all 12 cores and from that perspective it is way better than a 9900K.

Even in gaming at 1440p or 4K there is small to no difference.

But surely every one is spending thousands on a 2080Ti and a top end CPU to game at 1080P! No?

4K8K's reality is an odd place.

 

[MartinPrince]

But surely every one is spending thousands on a 2080Ti and a top end CPU to game at 1080P! No?

But of course, didn't you know!

4K8K's reality is an odd place.

So it's not just me thinking that.

 

[4K8KW10]

Definitelly, anything since 2008 is a lot better. I also want something that will last as long as possible so if i can future proof my system i will do so.

Some type of Threadripper might be future proof but if they change the socket as rumoured, even that is under question mark.

Ryzen 5 6-core will be obsolete in 2-3 years.

 

[Doobedoo]

Ryzen 5 6-core will be obsolete in 2-3 years.

How did you come up with that one lol.

I can guarantee my 3600 will serve me well beyond 2022 in the same way my 4670k still did what I wanted it too.

 

[4K8KW10]

How did you come up with that one lol.

I can guarantee my 3600 will serve me well beyond 2022 in the same way my 4670k still did what I wanted it too.

lol I can guarantee you that the current situation has nothing to do with the years of stagnation during which the 4670k appeared.

We expect a new generation of consoles which means the gaming landscape is about to change in a direction of favouring more cores.
We expect a new generation from intel CPUs which will also move the things forward.
AMD will also not sit around doing nothing...

So, the likelihood that a 3600 will be ok in 2022 is very slim.

 

[Doobedoo]

So consoles are ummm continuing with 8 core cpus, which all of a sudden means that 6 core cpu will become irrelevant in 3 years time .

Sorry but I fail to see that. I’ll happily apologise if I’m wrong and happily upgrade to a new Ryzen if I have to, which I may do with the 4000 series anyway, if they are worth it.

 

[4K8KW10]

So consoles are ummm continuing with 8 core cpus, which all of a sudden means that 6 core cpu will become irrelevant in 3 years time .

Sorry but I fail to see that. I’ll happily apologise if I’m wrong and happily upgrade to a new Ryzen if I have to, which I may do with the 4000 series anyway, if they are worth it.

The performance leap going from Jaguar-based PS4 Pro to Ryzen-based PS5 will be enormous. Here is a very good article, read the whole of it:

Take The Witcher 3, for example. It's a title very much based on current-gen constraints, targeting 30Hz on consoles - a frame-rate objective it generally managed to hit after several patches. In general gameplay in the open world, our Ryzen candidate hits 100-120fps once GPU limits are effectively removed. In our CPU-busting Novigrad City benchmark, we're still at 80 to 90fps or thereabouts.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...e-game-changer-for-next-gen-console-in-theory

I am sure you won't be happy to upgrade because you obviously like your old hardware.

 

[Doobedoo]

That may well be the case but they are not going to be as powerful as the cores I have now and consoles will not be released until say 2021, then it’ll take them a few years before they start to get the best out of them.

In the meantime 6 core CPU’s will be doing just fine.

I think you have a problem grasping reality yet alone what I or another thinks and I’ve read it and I’m not convinced. Sorry

 

[Boot_Loop]

Ryzen 9 3900X is the most expensive but in some applications it is still slower than the cheaper i9-9900K. In gaming it is slower than even the cheaper i7-9700K.

This is kind of like fud because when you say 'slower' in gaming, the average difference is - 3.8% - and only when using a 2080 Ti @ 1080p so there is no difference at all in reality and this is not even a consideration:

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/new-amd-chipset-driver-performance-test-ryzen-9-3900x/3.html

This 'Intel is still king in gaming' thing has somehow lost all attachment to reality, especially when talking about the 3900X and 9900K, they're almost neck and neck in gaming in the best case scenario for the Intel CPU (1080p and 2080 Ti, which is not realistic).

 

[4K8KW10]

That may well be the case but they are not going to be as powerful as the cores I have now and consoles will not be released until say 2021

PS5 is November 2020. The cores in the new-gen console will be powerful enough to enable immediately with its launch new games with new generation graphics and physics.
At that point, your 3600 will show its age. Not that there aren't games that force the 2600 to micro-stutter right now.

This is the reality. You should have bought something better if you expect future-proofing.

 

[michty_me]

PS5 is November 2020. The cores in the new-gen console will be powerful enough to enable immediately with its launch new games with new generation graphics and physics.
At that point, your 3600 will show its age. Not that there aren't games that force the 2600 to micro-stutter right now.

This is the reality. You should have bought something better if you expect future-proofing.

. Unbelievable

 

[malachi]

What is the RRP of the 3900x, which it is meant to be?

 

[michty_me]

What is the RRP of the 3900x, which it is meant to be?

£479 I think it originally launched at.

 

[Doobedoo]

PS5 is November 2020. The cores in the new-gen console will be powerful enough to enable immediately with its launch new games with new generation graphics and physics.
At that point, your 3600 will show its age. Not that there aren't games that force the 2600 to micro-stutter right now.

This is the reality. You should have bought something better if you expect future-proofing.

So essentially 2021 then . So that leaves 1 year for the 3600 to become obsolete .

So the cores in my 3600 will be more powerful than those in the ps5 because I’m not constrained by a power and heat envelope yet within a year all 6 core cpus will no longer be able to run windows or games or Firefox. Wow.

The reality is I specifically choose the 3600 with the intention I would upgrade if I feel it’s worth it, that is the beauty of owning a Ryzen cpu, I can just drop in the next generation without needing to upgrade.

 

[michty_me]

So essentially 2021 then . So that leaves 1 year for the 3600 to become obsolete .

So the cores in my 3600 will be more powerful than those in the ps5 because I’m not constrained by a power and heat envelope yet within a year all 6 core cpus will no longer be able to run windows or games or Firefox. Wow.

The reality is I specifically choose the 3600 with the intention I would upgrade if I feel it’s worth it, that is the beauty of owning a Ryzen cpu, I can just drop in the next generation without needing to upgrade.

Don't forget, Ps and Xbox don't use all cores for gaming anyway,one is always left for OS use.

I'm in the same boat though, I needed an update from my 2500k so hopped into the 3600 for now and looking to drop in a 12 core possibly from the next release.

 

[apostolis_kt]

Unless some huge change comes up in performance or Windows does something completely different i don't think older CPUs will become horribly obsolete.

My 2008 pc was running fine with a 680gtx on it for 1080p gaming. I only verified some of the bottleneck when i put the 970gtx which didn't give me what the benches were saying but was still ok for my needs and worse on the vega 56 which actually made World of Warcraft run worse than it run with the 680gtx. But when i put it on 4k on my lounge tv oh boy did i get what the vega can do! 40 FPS maxed on Witcher 3! I would never expect that from a 2008 or so pc (well vega is not that old )