@Gibbo - Vega Preorders?

Dirk Diggler · 5 Aug 2017 at 10:18

Howling said:
Do you know what damages components? Once you've had a second to think about it, I'm sure you'll have answered your own question.

dodgeme said:
I am surprised that on a tech based forum of all places people don't know that mining (aka working under full load 24/7) actually wears the card less then gaming or other purposes

Ah, that must be why the mining specific cards from AIB partners come with a 3 month warranty. :rolleyes:

https://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-NP106D5-6G-rev-10#kf

Howling · 5 Aug 2017 at 10:40

String said:
Ah, that must be why the mining specific cards from AIB partners come with a 3 month warranty.

https://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-NP106D5-6G-rev-10#kf

Nothing to do with life expectancy of the card, it's the requirement of the customer. Gamers expect their card to last for years, if a card died after 9 months - they'd play all hell and complain a LOT. To those big miners if a card dies, they just throw it in the big, they don't even bother with warranty 99% of the time. It's just an investment to a miner, they're a business whereas gamers are consumers - it's different requirements.

Panos · 5 Aug 2017 at 11:02

Howling said:
Nothing to do with life expectancy of the card, it's the requirement of the customer. Gamers expect their card to last for years, if a card died after 9 months - they'd play all hell and complain a LOT. To those big miners if a card dies, they just throw it in the big, they don't even bother with warranty 99% of the time. It's just an investment to a miner, they're a business whereas gamers are consumers - it's different requirements.

LOLOLOL

Howling · 5 Aug 2017 at 11:03

Panos said:
LOLOLOL

Good argument, I'm clearly beaten so I concede.

JessieD · 5 Aug 2017 at 11:05

Howling said:
Good argument, I'm clearly beaten so I concede.

According to my gran's interpretation of LOL he is agreeing with you. Also he likes you a lot.

Panos · 5 Aug 2017 at 11:08

Howling said:
Good argument, I'm clearly beaten so I concede.

If you are business go legal and pay taxes. Until then no respect to miners. Especially when they call themselves businessmen.

Howling · 5 Aug 2017 at 11:12

Panos said:
If you are business go legal and pay taxes. Until then no respect to miners. Especially when they call themselves businessmen.

Where are you getting that "they" don't?

Dirk Diggler · 5 Aug 2017 at 11:46

Howling said:
Good argument, I'm clearly beaten so I concede.

To be fair, your post was utter nonsense. By posting the LOL's he actually raised the bar a little bit there.

Howling · 5 Aug 2017 at 11:57

String said:
To be fair, your post was utter nonsense. By posting the LOL's he actually raised the bar a little bit there.

How is it utter nonsense? It's simple business. Long warranty is not required by the customer, so they don't provide it and sell the cards a bit cheaper (warranty isn't free).

Dirk Diggler · 5 Aug 2017 at 12:12

Howling said:
How is it utter nonsense? It's simple business. Long warranty is not required by the customer, so they don't provide it and sell the cards a bit cheaper (warranty isn't free).

Yes, of course, that's the reason they don't offer a standard warranty. It's got nothing to do with higher risk due to intended use, they're just giving the customer what they want.

LOL*1,000

FoxEye · 5 Aug 2017 at 13:01

StarShock said:
Slightly off topic, but on the subject of GPU degradation, I remember that linus did a test a little while back with an unused GTX 480 vs a well used GTX 480

Think he found that for the most part used and new perform the same.

Well yeah, but we're not talking about performance degradation. We're talking about products developing faults, and ceasing to work (at all or correctly).

I don't think anyone was expecting a digital product to slow down over time... Although even then, it could be that max stable overclock reduces, and previously OK overclocks now are unstable.

But yeah, a new (working) card at stock vs an old (working) card at stock should be ~ the same. Not the same as what we're talking about tho.

StarShock · 5 Aug 2017 at 13:12

FoxEye said:
Well yeah, but we're not talking about performance degradation. We're talking about products developing faults, and ceasing to work (at all or correctly).

I don't think anyone was expecting a digital product to slow down over time... Although even then, it could be that max stable overclock reduces, and previously OK overclocks now are unstable.

But yeah, a new (working) card at stock vs an old (working) card at stock should be ~ the same. Not the same as what we're talking about tho.

Fair enough

for my part I would say that since degradation isn't an issue then it seem likely that a year of gaming every day, the card heating up and cooling down rapidly and repeatedly is more likely to brick a card, than a year of running it 24/7 at a constant temp. But I think its a gamble with any used cards, cards die sometimes, regardless of how they were used.

Howling · 5 Aug 2017 at 13:33

String said:
Yes, of course, that's the reason they don't offer a standard warranty. It's got nothing to do with higher risk due to intended use, they're just giving the customer what they want.

LOL*1,000

You say higher risk - yet you've provided no evidence to back that up. There's been many pages of this - "LOAD KILLS CARDS LOLLLZZ" yet whenever evidence is asked for, nothing. It's not technically wrong that load kills cards, but more accurately a byproduct of load -- can you guess what that is?

Dirk Diggler · 5 Aug 2017 at 14:03

Howling said:
You say higher risk - yet you've provided no evidence to back that up. There's been many pages of this - "LOAD KILLS CARDS LOLLLZZ" yet whenever evidence is asked for, nothing. It's not technically wrong that load kills cards, but more accurately a byproduct of load -- can you guess what that is?

You were given evidence, you chose to dismiss it.

Howling · 5 Aug 2017 at 14:04

String said:
You were given evidence, you chose to dismiss it.

Where?

schneeb · 5 Aug 2017 at 14:51

jesus christ can you children keep off the vega thread(s)

erazor51 · 5 Aug 2017 at 15:40

Tut tela fruit!

ubersonic · 5 Aug 2017 at 17:10

I just had a random thought in the shower, the fact that AMD are not pushing Crossfire at a time when Nvidia are actively moving away from SLi could be a good thing. In the past whenever AMD's top card has lagged behind Nvidia's they have always marketed/priced/both a crossfire solution against it, I.E the HD7990 vs the GTX780. The fact they are not marketing/pushing Crossfire as much (I.E 2x Vega 56 vs 1080ti) looks (at least from a historical POV) promising for Vega.

StarShock said:
Fair enough for my part I would say that since degradation isn't an issue then it seem likely that a year of gaming every day, the card heating up and cooling down rapidly and repeatedly is more likely to brick a card, than a year of running it 24/7 at a constant temp.

This has been my experience, over the years I have lost more cards to gaming than to folding or mining.

Howling · 5 Aug 2017 at 17:25

ubersonic said:
I just had a random thought in the shower, the fact that AMD are not pushing Crossfire at a time when Nvidia are actively moving away from SLi could be a good thing. In the past whenever AMD's top card has lagged behind Nvidia's they have always marketed/priced/both a crossfire solution against it, I.E the HD7990 vs the GTX780. The fact they are not marketing/pushing Crossfire as much (I.E 2x Vega 56 vs 1080ti) looks (at least from a historical POV) promising for Vega.

I think it's more that both companies have abandoned Crossfire and SLI - although it does seem AMD is working towards multi-core rendering from another angle, I'm not sure if nVidia are working on anything in that direction.

TNA · 5 Aug 2017 at 17:54

ubersonic said:
I just had a random thought in the shower, the fact that AMD are not pushing Crossfire at a time when Nvidia are actively moving away from SLi could be a good thing. In the past whenever AMD's top card has lagged behind Nvidia's they have always marketed/priced/both a crossfire solution against it, I.E the HD7990 vs the GTX780. The fact they are not marketing/pushing Crossfire as much (I.E 2x Vega 56 vs 1080ti) looks (at least from a historical POV) promising for Vega.

This has been my experience, over the years I have lost more cards to gaming than to folding or mining.

You think about GPU's while having a shower? You need to get some help mate...

Just kidding, I think about GPU's sometimes when I am jogging