yes but when people say its better to keep a pc on 24/7 than to power cycle it, this is assuming the PC spends much of its time idle or at low load.
Heat also kills components.
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Heat also kills components.
Heat only kills components when they are run outside of their working temperature range. Most modern GPU's throttle long before any unsafe temp is reached. Any miner interested in making money will keep his system cool.
Not true.
http://www.extron.com/company/article.aspx?id=thermalmgt1_ts
For every 10 degrees more heat, you reduce the expected lifespan by 1/2.
Running mining rig with GPU memory overclocked 24/7 will kill it far more reliably than gaming.
Soldato
Manufacturers provide a 3 year warranty with gaming GPU. They provide a 3 month warranty with mining GPU.
If the manufacturers have no confidence in the longevity of mining cards, then that tells us all we need to know.
If the manufacturers have no confidence in the longevity of mining cards, then that tells us all we need to know.
Nothing in your link says that I am wrong. If a component has an MTBF of 5 years at 50 degrees, it should last 5 years at that temp, unless it is faulty or there are other issues. Is cooler better, of course it is. But, you will only reduce the lifespan of the component from it's MTBF at 50 degrees by running it higher than 50 degrees.
Where is your evidence that *any* AIB has warranted/guaranteed their product to have its components run at maximum output/heat 24/7?
At least one AIB has said this is not the kind of use their product is designed for. Think it was Gigabyte.
You can argue this whatever way you want, but running your GPU's core or memory at 24/7 maximum temperature is well outside its intended use, and as previously noted, retailers are starting to refuse returns because of this.
They do this for one simple reason, not every miner is equal.
Professional miners set cards up on racks, well spaced apart in air conditioned warehouses where the cards typically have a better life than in someones gaming PC as they run cooler.
But then other miners will cram them all next to each other in a motherboard, in a case and they will all be running on the thermal limit 24/7 at which point the lifespan is seriously reduced and this is at fault of the owner, not the manufacturer.
As with all things, the small percentage spoil it for all, as such anyone running cards for mining is not the intended use of a gaming GPU and as such the manufacturers are reducing warranty to 3 months, whether or not its legal I could not tell you, the simple fact is they are doing it.
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Refusing returns yet still gouging the price? That would be a little cheeky IMO. 
Gibbo answered this and worded it better than me.
Thank you, I can also tell you the professional miners we supply, never return product, they mine on it until the card is either superseded at which point they flog it or if it fails they bin it as the cards generally are returning them a profit within weeks as professional miners know how to make quick money. Don't ask me how, go and find out for yourselves as its all out there on the net.
These guys are so cheeky they put money into our bank account, one has 100k sitting on our account, we ship them cards that the gamers generally do not buy, but the miner is very happy to get, but that is how crazy these guys are by the simple fact they essentially want to give us money and as and when we have stock we feel the gamers are not interested in or our system integration departments cannot make use of we check with the miner if they are acceptable and they approve and we ship.
Some miners try it on and try to steal the good stuff, we used voucher codes in short term to stop this happening.
Moving forward were just hoping supply will improve enough to keep all happy, this week we have 2000+ RX 580's landing, which should be enough to drop resale price to normal levels and let gamers and miners buy them at will, should last a week or two. We've also got some new fancy super fast card arriving as well, my guess is you all know what this is, but of course I cannot say, but there will be plenty to go round.
Soldato
He did, and what he says makes perfect sense. I also agree he worded it much better than you.
The manufacturers know exactly what the outcome will be if the cards are run 24/7 at their thermal limit and beyond, hence the 3 month warranty.
Soldato
I had it pegged more as a business decision to lower costs, long warranty isn't needed so they don't provide it. How many professional mining warehouses do you know that can even be bothered to RMA a card under warranty? I know a few people in the industry and they just say they chuck them in bins.. I'll happily concede I'm wrong if you've seen evidence otherwise though.
He did, and what he says makes perfect sense. I also agree he worded it much better than you.
The manufacturers know exactly what the outcome will be if the cards are run 24/7 at their thermal limit and beyond, hence the 3 month warranty.
And yet you persist in thinking the same thing despite been told this is not the case.
This is true, they just bin them, as they also know we'd refuse to take back anyway, as long as the product is not DOA, if it fails after three months, we will not accept it back and they don't even try to return it anyway, they just go in the bin!
Soldato
This is circular and no doubt boring everyone to death. The point I've made all along is that manufacturers have little confidence in the longevity of cards sold for mining, hence the 3 month warranty. Gibbo has explained why this is, and his explanation makes perfect sense to me.
what has this got to do with my original statement? Or anything I said in my second reply to you?
Heat doesn't lower the lifespan of a product unless it's ran outside it's operating temperature range.
Soldato
If you read certain lines and ignore the whole, yup.
Made perfect sense to me too, because some miners are idiots the mining community as a whole suffers and this causes other people to think that mining is bad for your GPU.
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