@Gibbo - Vega Preorders?

nashathedog · 3 Aug 2017 at 20:48

LoadsaMoney said:
They'd eat into the gaming market i thought, as the cards thats are being bought for mining, are the same exact cards, that are being bought for gaming, so they'd be taking gaming share from Nvidia, as their GeForce cards, which are for gaming, would be losing sales to AMDs.

If anything wouldn't it be worse for AMD's gaming market position if all the cards sold are for miner's? When I sold my Fury I expected to be able to grab a 480 but couldn't so I'm now running a 1060 for gaming. I imagine a lot of people have found themselves in the same boat lately so although gpu sales are up for AMD they're actually losing gamers to Nvidia. I suppose that can all change if mining crashes and the market get's flooded with cheap secondhand AMD gaming cards. I still don't understand why AMD and Nvidia thought making Mining versions of there graphic's cards was a good thing. When mining stops being profitable again it means miners are buying a card they can't easily sell on and if they do want to keep it they can't game with it and it only has half the warranty. I'd of thought that any sane miner wouldn't touch a mining card.

nashathedog · 3 Aug 2017 at 20:54

Gibbo said:
Seems the hash rate on VEGA is 70-100 per card, which is insanely good.

Trying to devise some kind of plan so gamers can get them at MSRP without the miners wiping all the stock out within 5 minutes of product going live.

Can't you take the names and the money if need be from those of us here who want one and then when they go live you can immediately put x amount of cards aside for regulars?

If so I'd like a liquid cooled model from either Sapphire, XFX or Powercolor.

I would have said Asus too but I remember the extortionate Asus tax they added to the Fury X's on pre-order and release.

Gerard · 3 Aug 2017 at 20:58

Launch day will be interesting if the info about mining proves to be correct.

pigeonguyuk · 3 Aug 2017 at 21:02

@Gibbo uve started rumours lol

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gp...vels_of_mining_performance_on_amd_s_rx_vega/1

FoxEye · 3 Aug 2017 at 21:42

LoadsaMoney said:
They are unlocking performance in their latest drivers for mining.

If all this is true, then AMD delaying the launch so that "gamers could have stock to buy" was complete BS.

If AMD were really worried about miners snapping up the stock, they wouldn't be enabling the mining optimisations until a couple weeks after the launch.

By turning on the mining instructions in the driver before launch, and putting the info out there so miners are aware, they demonstrate that they couldn't give a **** if gamers buy them, or if miners do.

Gerard · 3 Aug 2017 at 21:46

FoxEye said:
If all this is true, then AMD delaying the launch so that "gamers could have stock to buy" was complete BS.

If AMD were really worried about miners snapping up the stock, they wouldn't be enabling the mining optimisations until a couple weeks after the launch.

By turning on the mining instructions in the driver before launch, and putting the info out there so miners are aware, they demonstrate that they couldn't give a **** if gamers buy them, or if miners do.

Amd didn't put any info out there, its info gibbo got from one of the card vendors who presumably already have the cards

FoxEye · 3 Aug 2017 at 21:55

Gerard said:
Amd didn't put any info out there, its info gibbo got from one of the card vendors who presumably already have the cards

They could still have waited until after the launch to turn on the mining optimisations/ mining specific instructions.

The fact that they didn't wait suggests they are not sincere about wanting gamers to have an opportunity to buy the cards.

LoadsaMoney · 3 Aug 2017 at 22:10

FoxEye said:
If all this is true, then AMD delaying the launch so that "gamers could have stock to buy" was complete BS.

If AMD were really worried about miners snapping up the stock, they wouldn't be enabling the mining optimisations until a couple weeks after the launch.

By turning on the mining instructions in the driver before launch, and putting the info out there so miners are aware, they demonstrate that they couldn't give a **** if gamers buy them, or if miners do.

A sales a sale at the end of the day, they are going to make a killing on mining, they'd be mad to block it.

EDIT:

Aiding in computation with Vega NGCU is added support for over 40 new ISA instructions that take advantage also of the increased IPC over Polaris. Here's the thing - some of these are very relevant to GPU mining. Need I say more on where this goes? AMD estimates a single NGCU to be able to handle as many as 512 simultaneous 8-bit operations.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Vega_Microarchitecture_Technical_Overview/3.html

Erik13 · 3 Aug 2017 at 22:15

Just when you thought that Amd will have hard time selling Vega gpus lol Considering prices of Vega cards Amd can make record profit cause of this minning performance. And tbh if i were Ceo of Amd i would target crypto market instead of struggling with biased Pc gaming one

LoadsaMoney · 3 Aug 2017 at 22:20

Yup, they'll sell far more cards for mining than gaming.

Gerard · 3 Aug 2017 at 22:21

FoxEye said:
They could still have waited until after the launch to turn on the mining optimisations/ mining specific instructions.

The fact that they didn't wait suggests they are not sincere about wanting gamers to have an opportunity to buy the cards.

And who would have known before launch? Nobody besides reviewers who are under embargo. So it would make zero difference either way, gibbo has already said hes not sure if its legit info as it sounds a bit ott, but as usual all the "tech sites" are talking about it like its fact and its amd who sent out the info when thats not the case.

These are the quotes in question:

Gibbo said:
Seems the hash rate on VEGA is 70-100 per card, which is insanely good.

Trying to devise some kind of plan so gamers can get them at MSRP without the miners wiping all the stock out within 5 minutes of product going live.

When asked about where the info came from he said:

Gibbo said:
Guy internally from one of the AIB's, maybe he is smoking the BS pipe.

As usual they ignored quote 2 and used quote 1 but twisted it to it being basically info direct from amd.

ubersonic · 3 Aug 2017 at 22:37

You've done it now Gibbo lol:

Retail staff reports high levels of mining performance with AMD's RX Vega

A member of Overclockers UK staff, Gibbo, has reported that AMD's Vega series cards offer some insane levels of mining performance with hash rates of between 70 and 100 per card. To put this into perspective RX 580 GPUs can achieve hashrates of around 26-29.

If this is true AMD's RX Vega series GPUs are mining beasts, with the potential to offer a greater hastrate per watt than AMD's existing RX 500/400 series GPU lineup.

Gibbo has been a reliable source of information in the past, stating on the Overclockers UK forums that they are trying their best to come up with preventative measures that will prevent miners from "wiping all the stock out within 5 minutes of product going live". Perhaps Overclockers UK are planning to only sell one GPU per customer or implement some other sales tactic to ensure that as many RX Vega GPUs land into the hands of gamers as possible.

Note that this level of mining performance is a lot higher than what was presented with AMD's Radeon Vega Frontier Edition, though it is known that certain Vega-specific features are disabled on that devices current drivers.

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gp...vels_of_mining_performance_on_amd_s_rx_vega/1

Gerard · 3 Aug 2017 at 22:38

^ Exactly what i mean, they're all blabbing like its a fact. Tech sites are worse than tabloids at the minute ffs.

LeMson · 3 Aug 2017 at 22:45

3-4 times the performance of a 580, so 3-4 times the cost, we into titan xp price levels now then?

heartburnron · 3 Aug 2017 at 22:49

The pack thing is all well and good if it's to discourage miners but did they not consider that some or even lot of interested buyers will already have Prey and may have already pre-ordered Wolfenstein 2 - like me!! Will I be paying an extra £100 for 2 games I already own and that I paid £28 each for? I also don't need a new motherboard or CPU thanks very much. Odd and frustrating...

Besty · 3 Aug 2017 at 23:03

ubersonic said:
You've done it now Gibbo lol:

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gp...vels_of_mining_performance_on_amd_s_rx_vega/1

almost as bad as WCCFtechs 'really nice' Vega performance story quote from some random dude.....

but not quite.

melmac · 3 Aug 2017 at 23:22

FoxEye said:
If all this is true, then AMD delaying the launch so that "gamers could have stock to buy" was complete BS.

If AMD were really worried about miners snapping up the stock, they wouldn't be enabling the mining optimisations until a couple weeks after the launch.

By turning on the mining instructions in the driver before launch, and putting the info out there so miners are aware, they demonstrate that they couldn't give a **** if gamers buy them, or if miners do.

According to miners, the mining optimisations are directly tied to the gaming optimisations that they haven't turned on. If true it puts AMD between a rock and a hard place. And of course they care if Miners buy them or not. Mining is no good for AMD in the long term. All it does is force more gamers to buy Nvidia's cards. Look at the last mining craze with the 290 cards, it damaged AMD more than it helped them.

Roughneck · 4 Aug 2017 at 02:35

Call me a cynic but ole Gibbo wouldn't trying to drum up interest in these Cards would he, I just cant believe 70-100 hash rate

Rroff · 4 Aug 2017 at 02:48

Roughneck said:
Call me a cynic but ole Gibbo wouldn't trying to drum up interest in these Cards would he, I just cant believe 70-100 hash rate

Question is are they comparing the same coin, etc. like for like - from what I've seen (which might not be the actual performance I dunno) all the Vega cards cover 33-39mh/s range for ETH for instance which puts them a little ahead of the GTX1070. (In the same context/setup a 1070 was about 31).

Hotwired · 4 Aug 2017 at 03:33

Lets get some circular linking going

https://www.eteknix.com/rx-vega-cards-reportedly-great-mining/

#blamegibbo