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All well and good getting extensively fitted for clubs now but if you are also taking lessons which could potentially dramatically change your swing (particularly if you are a mid to high handicapper) then you may find those fitted clubs might as well be a set straight off the shelf.
They may well be, but the fact that it doesn't cost to get fitted makes sense to get fitted no matter what.

But you have a point, it could just be down to the way I deliver the club to the ball, meaning I get very little compression and a high ball flight for my speed, meaning little distance.
If these clubs are the issue, then I'll sell and change clubs, it's not something I mind doing at all.
 
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They may well be, but the fact that it doesn't cost to get fitted makes sense to get fitted no matter what.

But you have a point, it could just be down to the way I deliver the club to the ball, meaning I get very little compression and a high ball flight for my speed, meaning little distance.
If these clubs are the issue, then I'll sell and change clubs, it's not something I mind doing at all.
Yeah i kind of have the same problem with delofting the club. Actually my woods, long and mid irons I can lower the trajectory but I hit my wedges so high and that's not really ideal for wedges.

I suppose if you got free fitting then yeah, by all means you might as well get them to suit your game as it currently is and maybe they'll still be compatible after a block of lessons.
 
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Personally I'd get fitted every time when deciding on clubs.
Ok your first set might as well be some cheap second hand clubs but once you get a handicap I'd say get fitted and go from there.

Personally I've never ever liked chunky looking clubs. Mentally I feel they hinder my game
 
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They may well be, but the fact that it doesn't cost to get fitted makes sense to get fitted no matter what.

But you have a point, it could just be down to the way I deliver the club to the ball, meaning I get very little compression and a high ball flight for my speed, meaning little distance.
If these clubs are the issue, then I'll sell and change clubs, it's not something I mind doing at all.

Regarding fitting. As you say they're free. Why don't you find some fitting events near you. Similar to how I went to a titlist fitting event you could do similar.
I reckon you'd be surprised at the results. I could see you using the T200 clubs
 
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How one person hits a certain club makes zero correlation to how you hit it.

Someone with a slightly out to in swing is likely to have the face more open at impact and thus hit it higher, with more spin and less distance.

Next person hits down on the ball, with a in to out swing, thus club face is shut more at impact and then will have less spin/less height but more distance.

All with the same swing speed and ball speed.

Far to many variables and I wouldn't take any notice of youtube videos and what someone with the same clubs does versus your swing/clubs.

Not forgetting you have shaft length/lie angle/shaft stiffness/swing weight of the shaft etc etc - far to many variables to make any conclusions.

At the end of the day - distance in my eyes doesn't matter, ball in play, score well - that's the result i'd take EVERY time.

My mate who plays off 28 can hit a PW 140 yards. I'm around 115/120. But he can't control it, looses 4-6 balls a round.

He's 28, I'm 9 handicap. I know what I'd take every time - accuracy over distance all day.

Don't chuck the clubs out (so to speak) - due to a perceived lack of distance - Think of it more around how they feel, confident with them, accuracy etc.....
 
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Regarding fitting. As you say they're free. Why don't you find some fitting events near you. Similar to how I went to a titlist fitting event you could do similar.
I reckon you'd be surprised at the results. I could see you using the T200 clubs
Would love to!
I don't think there's any events around here in Wales. At least not that often!

How one person hits a certain club makes zero correlation to how you hit it.

Someone with a slightly out to in swing is likely to have the face more open at impact and thus hit it higher, with more spin and less distance.

Next person hits down on the ball, with a in to out swing, thus club face is shut more at impact and then will have less spin/less height but more distance.

All with the same swing speed and ball speed.

Far to many variables and I wouldn't take any notice of youtube videos and what someone with the same clubs does versus your swing/clubs.

Not forgetting you have shaft length/lie angle/shaft stiffness/swing weight of the shaft etc etc - far to many variables to make any conclusions.

At the end of the day - distance in my eyes doesn't matter, ball in play, score well - that's the result i'd take EVERY time.

My mate who plays off 28 can hit a PW 140 yards. I'm around 115/120. But he can't control it, looses 4-6 balls a round.

He's 28, I'm 9 handicap. I know what I'd take every time - accuracy over distance all day.

Don't chuck the clubs out (so to speak) - due to a perceived lack of distance - Think of it more around how they feel, confident with them, accuracy etc.....
I hear this way too much, it's like a broken record :cry: I don't meant to sound disrespectful, but this is never an issue with someone who can already hit the ball pretty far.
If I dropped your swing down to 70-75MPH average, you'll drop a good 5-6 shots per round, guaranteed. There's a clear correlation between distance and handicap.

There's only a few people who I've seen, who have a 10-15hcp with low distances like me, but I see that as a maximum in terms of how good I can get. I cannot accept that! :)
I have a load of confidence with my clubs, but when I play a lot of courses, I'm at such a disadvantage to those who can hit it longer.

Example 1:
Par 4: 380 yards (not a long one)
eg. dogleg right after 190 yards on a narrow fairway,
Me:
3w - right at the top end of my 3w distance, having to hit it pretty hard, hoping that my accuracy doesn't suffer. It'll roll-out to about 200 and hopefully not go out of bounds.
Alternatively: 4H, maxes around 180 and may not quite get me around the corner, if I don't quite hit it far enough.
This leaves me with another 190 yards to the hole. 170 onto the green say.
For me, that's another 4H or 5i... both not quite at a smooth swing, as it's right at the top of my distance max, so quite a tough shot.
My driver max tends to carry 200 if i'm lucky. Most of the time it's around 190-195, so cutting the corner isn't an option to keep the scorecard looking OK. Balancing risk/reward here.

Team mates:
6i/5i, with much less rollout, very little chance of going 'too far'
Driver, to cut the corner and be an extra 30-40 yards down the next part of the fairway. Leaving a 150y shot to the hole, with say 130y to the green. Easy shot even for me.

Conclusion: Having a low GIR rate is specifically down to me not being able to reach the hole 'easily' as you bigger hitters do, which means I'm effectively a bogey golfer. (which is what my handicap says (19)). Getting that 2nd shot on the green is sometimes impossible for me, whereas the bigger hitters are thinking about how close they can get it to the hole from their 2nd shot.

Example 2:
Par 3 - 180y (Regular par3 distance in numerous courses I've played, probably 170 to the front of the green)

Me:
4H -
It's the only club that can get me there. (limited options for me) - hope the green isn't too quick, as i'm probably gonna end up off the back edge.
5i if I really wacked it, but less likely if I'm swinging right at the top of my speed.
I want to play good golf and always having holes that expect you to be bale to get there with your irons, is a very difficult hole for me.

Team mates:
7i - smooth swing straight onto the green. Little rollout due to it being a much more lofted club compared to my 4H.
6i - chopped down and a more lofted ball flight, for it to land gentler on the green.
It's an iron, flatter face, shots are much easier to shape and control compared to woods.

Conclusion: Reaching a par3 in 1 is what you need to be able to do consistently, to bring those handicaps down and make you a better golfer. The more chances you can make birdies the better, as sometimes your first shot is going to land next to the hole, other times it's just gonna be a 2 putt.

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For me, getting my distances longer introduces more options for different shots.
This will inevitably bring down your handicap.
I play this game to get as good as I can, same with loads of things I do. It's not just a little sport to play to pass the time, I compete with myself every time I'm out.
I sound like no fun to play with lol, but when I play, I'm in serious mode for the 30 seconds I'm over the ball when I'm taking my shot, but back to normal once the shot is off.... I do take it serious though, as I practice loads on the simulator.

My short game and my accuracy is pretty good, as you'd expect from someone who can't hit it far, since teeing off is a short-game for me :D
As I mention, distance is everything to me right now as it's key to the bigger jumps in my handicap dropping.
 
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At the end of the day - distance in my eyes doesn't matter, ball in play, score well - that's the result i'd take EVERY time.

Whilst I agree with pretty much everything else I don't agree with this. I played with a guy who swings 80mph 7i and hits it 165+ yards. It's how he delivers it and the clubs he uses.

As Mark mentioned, hitting 180/190 yards is at the top of his 3w and therefore a longer club where control is already difficult.

Where as for me or yourself, if we're talking centre of the green, at 180 yards I'd be hitting 7 iron. Max 175ish but if I hit one pure I have an extra 2 or 3 yards to land and the ball to stop. 2 put Par.

Mark cannot do this. Spin on a 3w would be so low he'll shoot through the green. Chip out, 2 or 3 put and he's off with a 5. 4 at best.
I feel the only way he will drop his handicap is by finding distance and then learning to control it with his swing.

Personally though, I know it's not always easy but I reckon a change in clubs would help rather than hinder.
What Mark is using at the moment are just chunky get in the air clubs. Which he's doing in spades. for a 19 handicap they're the wrong club. He should be looking at Ping i210 (or equivalent), T200, or equivalent Mizuno irons. He doesn't need fat chunky clubs.
I feel he needs to adjust that height for distance. He'll get this with better clubs and better shafts with a proper fitting.
 
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Whilst I agree with pretty much everything else I don't agree with this. I played with a guy who swings 80mph 7i and hits it 165+ yards. It's how he delivers it and the clubs he uses.

As Mark mentioned, hitting 180/190 yards is at the top of his 3w and therefore a longer club where control is already difficult.

Where as for me or yourself, if we're talking centre of the green, at 180 yards I'd be hitting 7 iron. Max 175ish but if I hit one pure I have an extra 2 or 3 yards to land and the ball to stop. 2 put Par.

Mark cannot do this. Spin on a 3w would be so low he'll shoot through the green. Chip out, 2 or 3 put and he's off with a 5. 4 at best.
I feel the only way he will drop his handicap is by finding distance and then learning to control it with his swing.

Personally though, I know it's not always easy but I reckon a change in clubs would help rather than hinder.
What Mark is using at the moment are just chunky get in the air clubs. Which he's doing in spades. for a 19 handicap they're the wrong club. He should be looking at Ping i210 (or equivalent), T200, or equivalent Mizuno irons. He doesn't need fat chunky clubs.
I feel he needs to adjust that height for distance. He'll get this with better clubs and better shafts with a proper fitting.

Agree and disagree to some extent.... All very valid.

But at 75mph swing speed - a change of clubs/shafts is unlikely to general another 10-15 yards on a 7 iron...maybe 5-7 yards with some fine tuning but that would be about it. Speed is way more related to distance than clubs/shafts.

Some lessons/speed training (no idea if this works or not) might be more beneficial initially to see if that's the issue, rather than a full change of clubs in terms of cost etc.

I'm ALL for new shiny clubs :cry: .... but a proper session on a trackman with swing path/launch details etc would be very worth while before jumping into club fitting/changing.

100% ignore that "youtube trackman picture" - looked at it again - 3700 spin with 7 iron, and 71ft height is awful.... 39 degree land angle as well.... Terrible numbers for a 7i - no way that's stopping quick enough - should be higher with more spin and around 45 degree land angle for optimal numbers....
 
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Totally agree.
I won't be doing anything without trackman stats for starters.
Got my lesson on 8th, who has trackman onboard. So we'll definitely be going over some of the stats from my clubs as part of the speed lesson.
 
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Totally agree.
I won't be doing anything without trackman stats for starters.
Got my lesson on 8th, who has trackman onboard. So we'll definitely be going over some of the stats from my clubs as part of the speed lesson.

Excited to see where the Bryson journey goes... :D
 
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100% ignore that "youtube trackman picture" - looked at it again - 3700 spin with 7 iron, and 71ft height is awful.... 39 degree land angle as well.... Terrible numbers for a 7i - no way that's stopping quick enough - should be higher with more spin and around 45 degree land angle for optimal numbers....

I suppose it's this section which is a massive cause for concern and why I believe his clubs are wrong.
the lofts are just hideous. 5i through to 9i. The only club you're getting to stop here is a 9i as I can guarantee the others aren't creating enough spin.
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@MarkA I'd love to see your trackman date so we can compare with said YouTube video. How old are you BTW?
 
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I just turned 40, although look about 30 (does that help? :cry:)
I'm slight, but have always been active throughout my life, although having a job where i sit down all day never helps.
 
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I just turned 40, although look about 30 (does that help? :cry:)
I'm slight, but have always been active throughout my life, although having a job where i sit down all day never helps.
I'm about to turn 44 and working for the NHS I wish I had chance to sit down :cry:

You've still got time to increase speed. Be interesting to see what a speed training lesson involves
 
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I work with the NHS interestingly, within the genomics research sector.

I've watched that Drew Cooper video, he looks like he's barely swinging it!

I think at this stage, it'll be working out how to effectively deliver the club correctly and then work out on getting it faster (if i were to guess).
I don't mind putting the work in at the gym if he sees it's necessary, as long as it's focused on some goals to help me increase speed.
 
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