Good Bye Freedom, Hello Police State Britain.

The Funktopus said:
To quote Benjamin Franklin:

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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Quoted for absolute truth.

Again we are being driven by fear to give up rights such as the right to privacy we've had since we have considered ourselves to be a civilised society.

I sincerely hope things like this require legislation and that MPs that are supposed to be representing up wake up and vote against these changes.
 
Swordfish said:
I dont have a problem with registering mobile phones etc to be honest. Same goes for an ID card.

It's only people who have summat to hide that dont want them.
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I just bought a sim card last weekend paid cash.

Apart from my face on some CCTV no one in the shop knew who i was.

That's the way it should be.

I don't live in the UK and it's none of UK government's business how I operate.

Also what exactly would this achieve? I just go to [insert any other country] and order a sim card from them without giving any details.

I'm no terrorist just and ordinary joe bloggs. Please explain why the government need to know who owns every phone in the country?
 
cheets64 said:
hahaha the people spurting **** about the Nazi party, lolque, database = end of society, like I said I have other things to worry about.
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So you don't care that the government is spending billions on databases which are totally useless?

That fact alone should be enough to make you care?

Since we don't have ID cards how can the poor salesperson know if your details are correct?

You could just put any old address in, you can buy the card for someone else it's totally useless database and the government should get a grip.
 
Government plans to install CCTV cameras in every house in the UK in a bid to cut out domestic violence.


How long before we see a headline like this do you think?
 
I have a problem with it, a it's load of money wasted on something we don't need while every single public sector is seriously underfunded, not to mention the governments chucking a load of money into the banking system to keep it afloat. I have in idea, why don't you sort out the current funding before you ****ing waste more money on something which is pretty much useless.
Sort out your problems, don't just walk on attempting to distract people from it.

This is one of the things that really ****s me off about the government.
 
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Nexy said:
Signed. I think it's morally reprehensible that we are giving up the freedoms that men and women of this country died to protect.

The IRA were described by British Military intelligence as "professional, dedicated, highly skilled and resilient." and we didn't put up with this rubbish then and they killed far more citizens of the UK on UK soil. The climate of fear doesn't keep us safe, it's just taking away something I think is important, something fundamentally British. They can try and blow us up, we just bloody well get on with it. We do not give in to terrorism. The money would be better spent putting more real police on the streets and adding more human resources to MI5 and MI6, or better yet, hospitals and schools.
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In the 1970/80s if you went into belfast city center you had to go thought a check point. Every one was seached on the way in and out, it was in effect a police state. All over NI you could be stop, seached and that included your home. The thing is the state was not after joe the plummer it was after joe the bomber and it was joe the bomb/shooter that the state targeted. Joe the plummer just got on with his life the best he could with no problem with the state. Other than the odd search or road check point. If you have nothing to hind you have nothing to worry about other than what joe the bombers has planned for you.
 
when i watch the bill and there are crims right they check their phones but they are always pay as you go phones so they cant trace the bad people so this new database is a good idea cos it will fix this.
 
Stretch said:
Because no government has the right to spy on its citizens as a matter of routine. A government with too much power is a dangerous proposition indeed, far more dangerous than any terrorist group or organized crime.

This is a step too far in the wrong direction, and I don’t want to wake up one day to find out I should have spoken up sooner. We live in a mature and successful democracy and you have to ask yourself why a government of a country like ours distrusts its own people so much.
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I dont think it's a matter of spying as such. I think it is more about preventative messures.

In principle an ID scheme is not a bad idea it justs needs to be managed properly. The only thing that does concern me regarding the ID scheme is how much a civil servant can actaully see regarding you data and the level of data gathered. It should be similar to the passport and that is that.

As for spying on us, we are a little to late in the game for us to be worried regarding this. As far as I'm concerned I believe that phone taps/email taps etc go on regardless of proper warrants issued and or propper application under RIPA etc.

As for Government distrusting the people that has happened since day one as we have distrusted them, but to date no one has come up with a better solution.
 
it isn't about the fight against crime its about total control. the fight is against us, the general public. they use crime/terrorism to capture our minds as its easier for them to take whatever freedoms they want to under the header of crime fighting or anti terrorism measures, well because what right minded person will argue with those reasons?

its classic psychological conditioning

they don't take out freedoms all at once, they apply a boil the frog method, taking freedoms little by little as we wont really notice the changes until its too late, but they have a end goal and these are just the steps towards that goal.


do you really trust the government?

if so why ? , and on what basis?

they promise security and to do that they need to take freedoms, and what we get is neither. has nobody awakened to this yet?


no doubt people reading this will bury thier heads in the sand and cry ' TIN FOIL ' or whatever it is they do in order for them not to take reality head on.

ever noticed freedoms that have been taken from us, have ever been given back ?


its not about fighting crime, its about fighting us
 
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Orcish-Horde said:
In the 1970/80s if you went into belfast city center you had to go thought a check point. Every one was seached on the way in and out, it was in effect a police state. All over NI you could be stop, seached and that included your home. The thing is the state was not after joe the plummer it was after joe the bomber and it was joe the bomb/shooter that the state targeted. Joe the plummer just got on with his life the best he could with no problem with the state. Other than the odd search or road check point. If you have nothing to hind you have nothing to worry about other than what joe the bombers has planned for you.
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Do you work for the BBC? Because you sound like one of there drones.
 
Orcish-Horde said:
In the 1970/80s if you went into belfast city center you had to go thought a check point. Every one was seached on the way in and out, it was in effect a police state. All over NI you could be stop, seached and that included your home. The thing is the state was not after joe the plummer it was after joe the bomber and it was joe the bomb/shooter that the state targeted. Joe the plummer just got on with his life the best he could with no problem with the state. Other than the odd search or road check point. If you have nothing to hind you have nothing to worry about other than what joe the bombers has planned for you.
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Of course it's meant well. But the problem is, no government wants to lose power. Only gain more and more. Read up on what happened in East Germany. Read 1984. Try to understand that no government will ever stop trying to get more control, because that is how governments work. Understand that democracy must be a constant battle to defend your rights and the rights of the people you care about.
 
jas72 said:
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I just bought a sim card last weekend paid cash.

Apart from my face on some CCTV no one in the shop knew who i was.

That's the way it should be.

I don't live in the UK and it's none of UK government's business how I operate.

Also what exactly would this achieve? I just go to [insert any other country] and order a sim card from them without giving any details.

I'm no terrorist just and ordinary joe bloggs. Please explain why the government need to know who owns every phone in the country?
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Yeah, but your a belgium pedophile.


And who the **** pays for sim's these days?
 
Sadly people don't collectively act until it really affects them, even spying on our communications as annoying and angering as it is doesn't get more than moans and complaints, what will it take for everyone to put their foot down and say NO? Probably nothing short of being microchipped or cameras installed in their homes, people in this country already accept way too much bs from the government as it is, don't let them get away with it!
 
Oh well, I couldn't care less - I haven't done anything wrong, I have a passport, when I come into a country all my details are stored.

The only bit I can see that is frustrating is the 'Pay as you Go' - I doubt that they will ask for your name etc.

Britain has good law, I can't see the Police or whatever using your details in the wrong? If they do you have your rights - you're in Britain not China guys.
 
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