Good Bye Freedom, Hello Police State Britain.

we are so pre occupied with stuff that has no importance that we don't ask ourselves the important questions, that's how we get our freedoms taken from us, by not paying attention and not caring .

in years to come when we need permission to travel to cities, it will be our own fault for not paying attention now.
 
tem07 said:
Oh well, I couldn't care less - I haven't done anything wrong, .
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its not about what wrong you have done, its about how easily controlled you are on the pretence of keeping you 'safe' .


just like sheep in fear of the sheep dog, easily managed, easily directed, and in constant fear of the threat around the corner, an orchestrated threat manufactured by our loving elite.
 
It will be interesting to see what happens with ID cards when the Tories inevitably win the next election. Should they reverse their current stance and go for them I'll be even more disillusioned with Politics and convinced that no party/politician will change the "greater agenda", in any Western country.
 
As much as it will either come back to bite me in the bum, or won't do any good whatsoever; I've decided to exercise my right as a UK citizen and tell the government to pack it in. Therefore, I've signed some of the petitions.
 
tem07 said:
Britain has good law, I can't see the Police or whatever using your details in the wrong? If they do you have your rights - you're in Britain not China guys.
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Rather than just spouting the above why not actually read about what's been happening to our rights?
 
It's not that we don't care, it's that there's a complete disconnect between government and the public and their wishes.
When was the last time the groundswell of public opinion was heeded?
The Iraq war when MILLIONS of people took to the streets in the largest scale protest in the world against the obvious deception of the Great British public? Ignored. Deigned incorrect. As an example.

Being literally powerless between elections is a cruel and disgusting joke on the otherwise free and libertarian British public who have been thoroughly beaten up, abused and dumped upon.

Constantly having to choose the 'least bad' option in politics rather than voting for policies we support and getting the most capable (ie, not politicians) to implement them.
I don't know what system would be better, but the filthy hydra of corruption over the past 30 years has lead to this point, let's hope it crashes and burns. Thatcher the dragon has finally slayed the beast of society.
 
Mulder said:
It will be interesting to see what happens with ID cards when the Tories inevitably win the next election. Should they reverse their current stance and go for them I'll be even more disillusioned with Politics and convinced that no party/politician will change the "greater agenda", in any Western country.
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Governments as a whole inevitably work for themselves, against the people they rule. It is our job to make them work for us, through writing letters and voting and protesting and whatever else we have to do.

Thomas Paine said:
SOME writers have so confounded society with government, as to leave little or no distinction between them; whereas they are not only different, but have different origins. Society is produced by our wants, and government by wickedness; the former promotes our happiness positively by uniting our affections, the latter negatively by restraining our vices. The one encourages intercourse, the other creates distinctions. The first is a patron, the last a punisher.
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I dont understand how people can seriously say or believe that if they have nothing to hide then they have nothing to fear. Jean Charles de Menezes thought he had nothing to hide, nothing to fear, but he's dead because they mistook him for someone else. Because of the police's lackluster techniques, and the evidence suggested that he was guilty, they shot him.

If the government uses things like this database then the ordinary people have everything to fear more so than terrorists. The terrorists no how to avoid things, and when they steal an ordinary persons ID, that ordinary person could be in a lot of trouble. When all the evidence suggests that innocent person is guilty and with the way the faceless, uncompassionate individuals, are looking at the evidence what are the odds, that the person doesnt get shot or put into prison. Would you like to bet your life on some odds, that somehow the government will come out with the right answer in the end?
 
Energize said:
Or just use encryption.
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all encryption can be cracked...havent you seen Mercury Rising? :cool:

Point is not to let them intercept the data/information only way to do that is via pigeon-air...m8 of mine swears by his message in bottles scheme but dry land tends to scupper that plan...and the rivers and canals of the UK being so unpredictable nowadays what with the flash floods and whatnot.
 
Yamahahahahaha said:
It's not that we don't care, it's that there's a complete disconnect between government and the public and their wishes.
When was the last time the groundswell of public opinion was heeded?
The Iraq war when MILLIONS of people took to the streets in the largest scale protest in the world against the obvious deception of the Great British public? Ignored. Deigned incorrect. As an example.

Being literally powerless between elections is a cruel and disgusting joke on the otherwise free and libertarian British public who have been thoroughly beaten up, abused and dumped upon.

Constantly having to choose the 'least bad' option in politics rather than voting for policies we support and getting the most capable (ie, not politicians) to implement them.
I don't know what system would be better, but the filthy hydra of corruption over the past 30 years has lead to this point, let's hope it crashes and burns. Thatcher the dragon has finally slayed the beast of society.
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I don't get why people don't practice civil disobedience, protests obviously don't work but when people strike and cause disruptions to a country all of a sudden issues get news and discussion then change is made, for instance it wouldn't take much for everyone with a car to drive real slow or 'breakdown' on the roads around the country, im sure that would show the gov we've had enough and want change for the better.

I also think we need a new political party that goes by what the people wants, that has something a bit like the petition site but far more in depth, with good information on the issues that everyone can understand with discussion forums, stats and voting etc, why do we vote for people when we could vote for things? Sure we can't change government overnight but we could get a party in there who does this, eventually who knows...
 
Radiation said:
I don't get why people don't practice civil disobedience, protests obviously don't work but when people strike and cause disruptions to a country all of a sudden issues get news and discussion then change is made, for instance it wouldn't take much for everyone with a car to drive real slow or 'breakdown' on the roads around the country, im sure that would show the gov we've had enough and want change for the better.
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Imagine how fast they'd plough through even more draconian legislation for dispersing disobedient crowds. It would make your head spin no doubt.
I support disruptive protests such as the fuel blockades a few years ago simply because they attacked directly at the root of the problem. The same can be done for ID cards / Passports, people just have to say no to them.

Radiation said:
I also think we need a new political party that goes by what the people wants, that has something a bit like the petition site but far more in depth, with good information on the issues that everyone can understand with discussion forums, stats and voting etc, why do we vote for people when we could vote for things? Sure we can't change government overnight but we could get a party in there who does this, eventually who knows...
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Well, UKIP have some nice ideas. They need to work more on distancing themselves from the racist thugs of the BNP though. The Tories may as well go "We want to take everything from you until there's nothing left", the same thing Brown is saying.
The Lib Dems have a few flashes of genius, but their policies on immigration are a complete joke and unpalettable to anyone but the most insanely left wing nutcases.

I guess a political movement toward a more transparent / less political government would be a step in the right direction. Politics and corruption (Same thing?) is the source of many of our current woes, nobody wanted to end the 'Easy Credit' party, so now we have a massive and violent correction where thousands will lose their jobs and their homes.
Good stuff.
 
Calabi said:
I dont understand how people can seriously say or believe that if they have nothing to hide then they have nothing to fear. Jean Charles de Menezes thought he had nothing to hide, nothing to fear, but he's dead because they mistook him for someone else. Because of the police's lackluster techniques, and the evidence suggested that he was guilty, they shot him.
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That might have been a fair argument if it happened after they started doing these things but it didn't and as far as I know he was just considered suspicious by opinion, not from any intelligence on him. And if it was just mistaken identity this is pretty irrelevant to what we are talking about.
 
Tinfoil hats to rescue everyone!

Seriously these are long off planns (most of them) that probably will get thrown out of parliment as being just plane silly (and dodnt vote conservative on the basis they might go away!)
 
Orcish-Horde said:
In the 1970/80s if you went into belfast city center you had to go thought a check point. Every one was seached on the way in and out, it was in effect a police state. All over NI you could be stop, seached and that included your home. The thing is the state was not after joe the plummer it was after joe the bomber and it was joe the bomb/shooter that the state targeted. Joe the plummer just got on with his life the best he could with no problem with the state. Other than the odd search or road check point. If you have nothing to hind you have nothing to worry about other than what joe the bombers has planned for you.
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Sorry, when I said UK I meant Great Britain. I wasn't referring to Northern Ireland during the troubles, I meant mainland GB (and to an extent, Gibraltar I guess). My rough calculation says they killed 85 people on British soil in a roughly 30 year campaign, not counting those killed in NI. Obviously given they were fighting over NI, I should have been more careful.
 
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