She and it are symptoms, they did not come out of nowhere and merely hoping they disappear won't make them do so.
Good news for Scotland (and the rest of us)..
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I went to the protest/rally last week which saw both sides at the same place and I must say, they looked almost identical in size. Like most things, most people don’t care.
Can I ask what your definition of woke is?
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They have 45 of 59 Scottish seats in Westminster and their primary aim is independence. How can you possibly conclude its a noisy minority. Was Blair's 97 win a noisy minority? All these English people trying desperately to keep Scotland in the union, to keep power over them, it's pathetic, and I'm English. I always liked Sturgeon a lot more than our politicians, she was upfront, stood up for what she believed in and took no prisoners.
Try reading again.
If the state mandates that I have to accept your defintion or what wine is under pains of legal action for 'discrimination' especially if your idea of what wine is differs widely from most other people then I have a big issue with it.
It's no coincidence that as gender idology activism has ramped up (largely post 2015 in the UK) that opposition to it had followed suit. The more people aware or the demand and claims the less support there has been. This is the opposite of support for same sex couples with rose from the late 1980's all through the period the major legal battles for same sex matters were won (equalised age of consent, same sex legal marriage etc).
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That's a low bar to clear though.
Maybe she's just had enough. It's certainly not an easy job and it has to grind a person down after a while. Or maybe she's decided now is the best time for her to join the gravy train for retired high ranking politicians. Loads of easy money to be made on that gravy train.
Again, wtf has that got to do with my post?
You've used the word "woke" so I'm automatically discounting your opinions.
That's only a perception issue.
It's easy to be more popular when you don't have to actually make many of the harder decisions and can always blame some 'foreign' figures for many misfortunes your country faces and neither the populace nor the majority of the media will claim you are bigoted/ racist etc for blaming said 'foreigners'.
When you actually look at the stats for what the devolved Scottish goverment has 'achieved' over the last 24 or so years they don't look great.
They have basically taken the extra money they received from the central goverment and used it to pay for some stuff most of the rest of the country doesn't get.
When you look at the SNP's record on things like health, education and infrastructure the picture isn't a great one.
And as for the SNP's signature policy.. an 'independent' Scotland well....
It should be very clear now what an actual disaster a leave vote in the 2014 referendum would have been and what the consequences of the SNP lies would have been.
Because it should by now be apparent and what the consequences would have been.
1) wildely optimistic oil price estimates
2) a Scotland that would have been out of the UK *and* EU... the EU were never going to allow Scotland to just join upon leaving the UK... it would be an allocation as a new candidate country *when* independent.
4) no currency union with the UK causing massive issues with required state borrowing and any debts in Scotland held in sterling. Scotland would likely need its own currency with a proven record of some years of financial restraint for a successful EU membership application as well
5) all the additional costs
6) the wildly optimistic UK leaving date of May 2016... 2 years! Never going to happen with anything other than a chaotic seperation... Scotland is just far too integrated into the UK to bash out the details that quickly.
Basically it's not at all unreasonable to conclude that if Indy 2014 had gone the other way thay England would by now have a northern neighbour in such a parlous state that it would make the current day UK post Brexit and global pandemic look like a veritable paradise.
I expect the popularity of whatever would have been left of the SNP would have take a bit of a dip as well compared to current time lines 2023 SNP
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What a bigoted point of view.
Haha, yea it was. I meant woke!
FTR I am a Scot but no supporter of the SNP or the call for independence. However, I do think Sturgeon has done a pretty decent job. I consider her to be genuine and relatively authentic for a politician. The SNP in government is a different matter. They have made a bit of a mess of the NHS, education is declining and the pivot away from oil to renewables is happening too slowly. However, wee Nicola schooled Johnson on how to handle Covid policy and comms and showed a lot more class than most of the Westminster leadership. I wish her well on a personal level.
Most of the media is filled with Tory sycophants or run, controlled and edited by Tory donors.
Just thought I would put some figures up to help I am nether one party or another but some wild claims I have seen.
2019 election
Total votes for SNP(Sturgen) 1,242,000 out of 4,245,000 possible voters, 29% give or take.
Total votes for Conservative (Boris)13,900,000 out of 47,500,000 in whole of UK Wales Scotland Ireland, 29.2% give or take
Will just leave them figures you can check on electoral register
2019 election
Total votes for SNP(Sturgen) 1,242,000 out of 4,245,000 possible voters, 29% give or take.
Total votes for Conservative (Boris)13,900,000 out of 47,500,000 in whole of UK Wales Scotland Ireland, 29.2% give or take
Will just leave them figures you can check on electoral register
You don't vote for party leaders in an election though?
Well then why did you claim SHE when you don't vote for a leader and claim she was more popular than any recent tory leader
True, I did, just as many voted Tory thanks to the BoJo effect.