Soldato
What was his name?
Government to consider banning smoking in pub gardens etc..
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What was his name?
Soldato
No I am not in support of the action being proposed as it is and see it as nothing more than taking a hammer to crack a nut.
Jeff
That is the thing that gets me
Of smokers were actually considerate then there would be no need for legislation as they would never consider smoking in a beer garden while other people are eating or enjoying a pint. But as they never give a **** then legislation is the only way.
same as gun ownership when i was in the US. In general i'm against it but not such a massive issue, except everyone i knew who owned a gun was literally the last person i would want with one, and their reasons were always completely absurd or against all known statistics.
that phrase could equally be attributed to aforementioned wegovy, wonder drug promoted by influencers - imagine if marlboro man had been on social media;
interesting program the other day about social media cult of pink cocaine.
tbh I'm all for this. Every time I've gone to sit in a beer garden all summer there's been half a dozen people smoking making it rank.
I expect there will be the standard moaners kicking off, lee, forage etc only for it to end up being a net positive and cause more people to sit outside while drinking/eating.
I expect there will be the standard moaners kicking off, lee, forage etc only for it to end up being a net positive and cause more people to sit outside while drinking/eating.
As an ex smoker I can see why poeple may not like people smoking in the beer garden, they will just end up outside the gate of the beer garden or outside the door of the pub, and people will still be able to smell it.
Hopefully it will apply to vaping as well. Think there is far too many people, especilly kids vaping nowadays.
Its supposed to be there to help stop smoking, but you still adicted to vaping, which can't be good in the long run.
Hopefully it will apply to vaping as well. Think there is far too many people, especilly kids vaping nowadays.
Its supposed to be there to help stop smoking, but you still adicted to vaping, which can't be good in the long run.
Soldato
I liked Labour's response to the recent civil unrest, putting them all into jail. It was the 1st real challenge for the new gov't. (Plus, it was getting personal as I had to cancel my Hull weekend plans!)
However, I do think Labour is a tad heavy-handed on the smoking plans and I say this as a non-smoker. What Labour did in the mid-2000s wasn't perfect but pubs/clubs managed to get around it to an extent by offering an outdoor section for the smokers. We still lost some pubs/clubs, although it was other factors too like the 2008 recession.
I fear the total ban is going to tank the pub/club numbers. I didn't vote Tory or Labour, but I preferred Rishi Sunak's plan which copies the AUS/NZ model. This was to raise the smoking age of 18 by 1 per year, so that the current smokers can still smoke. This then creates a gradual ban over decades which gives more time for pubs/clubs to adapt rather than dying out to the point of no return.
TL;DR - Smokers and non-smokers still need places to socialise IRL.
However, I do think Labour is a tad heavy-handed on the smoking plans and I say this as a non-smoker. What Labour did in the mid-2000s wasn't perfect but pubs/clubs managed to get around it to an extent by offering an outdoor section for the smokers. We still lost some pubs/clubs, although it was other factors too like the 2008 recession.
I fear the total ban is going to tank the pub/club numbers. I didn't vote Tory or Labour, but I preferred Rishi Sunak's plan which copies the AUS/NZ model. This was to raise the smoking age of 18 by 1 per year, so that the current smokers can still smoke. This then creates a gradual ban over decades which gives more time for pubs/clubs to adapt rather than dying out to the point of no return.
TL;DR - Smokers and non-smokers still need places to socialise IRL.
Probably due to the price, £15 a packet makes it an unaffordable habit for most these days.
Though it didn't bother me that much I don't miss the days of after nights out having to wash my clothes like 5 times to get the smell of smoke out.
Definitely very uncool with anyone under about 22 or so now on the other hand, though the statistics don't seem to entirely back it up, there seems to have been quite a climb in drug use in the last few years amongst the younger ones who are shunning smoking and alcohol.
Soldato
That's called Wetherspoons.
Caporegime
Banning smoking indoors was totally justified but smoking in pub gardens? Come on, there's no health justification here, you're not getting harmed by someone smoking in an open air environment and not liking a thing shouldn't be grounds for a ban.
Soldato
Interesting article based on what happened in Aus.
This did make me chuckle, smoker says "It’s affecting licensed venues, they’re losing customers," Rob says. "Now they try to keep them inside the VIP gambling lounge which leads to smokers spending money on gambling machines, and we all know gambling isn’t good for anyone.
Outdoor smoking ban: How it works in Australia and what it could mean for UK
In Australia, smoking outdoors in pubs is heavily regulated - could the UK follow suit?
www.bbc.co.uk
This did make me chuckle, smoker says "It’s affecting licensed venues, they’re losing customers," Rob says. "Now they try to keep them inside the VIP gambling lounge which leads to smokers spending money on gambling machines, and we all know gambling isn’t good for anyone.
Caporegime
The UK already has some of the highest cigarette prices in Europe (I think only Ireland, Sweden, and Finland have higher duties?), and cigarette taxes are extremely regressive. Any more rises would be simply punitive.