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Arsenal played far better in their game. Just need Pool and Wolves to beat Chelsea now.
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Arsenal played far better in their game. Just need Pool and Wolves to beat Chelsea now.
What? They were better in every single department. High press, didn't allow United to play it out from the back leading to a comedy list of errors from Maguire, Williams and Pogba to name a few. Brendon Williams and AWB couldn't press forward, either choosing to go backwards or sideways. Chelsea were well drilled, looked more up for it and the 3-1 scoreline flattered us.
Takeaway the De Gea howler and we were still very much outplayed today. Today's result is all on Ole, starting 11 selection and formation were completely wrong and I'm not accepting the busy schedule as an excuse.
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Man UTD were incredibly poor today. That doesn't mean Chelsea were fantastic. I guess we will see in the final but I can see Arsenal beating them.
Also Chelsea had an extra two days rest as well.
I think its a little bit more than a bad day. There are a few things that simply aren't there if you want to be a title challenger. United have been out hussled too often recently. They just don't work hard enough out of possession. Part of it is due to Matic's lack of mobility but you also need everyone doing a shift. The way that Liverpool, City, Chelsea and even Arsenal press teams when they don't have the ball is not replicated by United. The front 4/5 have covered this in recent weeks but its become a bit exposed vs Southanpton, Chelsea. Chelsea were decent today. They worked really hard and had a greater desire. Let's not forget that they were without Kante and Gilmour also. Fair play to them. For Ole - this is a good lesson to have at this time.
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absolutely dreadful performance, too many mistakes too many sideway passing tbh we needed a plan b (going long)
Arsenal played well on the break and rode their luck defensively, Chelsea completely controlled that game.
Nobody's saying Chelsea were fantastic, but they were clearly better than Utd were in every department, which you seem to disagree with
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I did not say that. I am saying a slightly less poor team beating a poor team doesn't mean they were fantastic.
You said: "De Gea has basically won it for them."
In other words, you said that without DDG's mistakes Chelsea wouldn't have won, suggesting you thought they weren't better...
I thought Chelsea were excellent. To me its churlish to suggest otherwise. Sometimes you just have to accept that you are second best - by some distance today.
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He's good, and he's probably the best we could have got that was available but he's no Rio or Vidic. It wouldn't surprise me if he had concussion from that first half challenge today, he looked very out of it.
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He is a player that needs a decent pairing next to him. Him and lindelof are both of the same. Good at going forward which you want but not the best defensively. We are splitting hairs though. Only Liverpool have a better defensive record in the league this season. I was hoping Tuanzebe could be that catalyst this season but injuries have held him back.
We will wait and see what West Ham brings. Then we need to start worrying.
I think he's ok but I'm slightly disappointed with the leadership we are seeing from him as captain. Today was a day where he should have been grabbing a few of them by the arm and giving them a shake. I hoped he'd offer a bit more. It's early days but I think he has a good attitude and always gives 100% - yes he's not the most mobile but also I think he has the nuts to play for Man Utd - not many do. Johnny Evans was a great centre back but I always felt he was mentally a bit suspect. Still think Maguire can be a Vidic but ideally he needs to find someone a bit quicker than Lindelof to play along side.
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I do think that if it had gone 0-0 into half time the outcome would be different. I am more disappointed in the fighting spirit more than anything else. We beat Chelsea 3 times this season already quite comfortably so I would have thought after half time we could have turned it around.
If this is a literal point then yes of course but Chelsea were the stronger side and looked like scoring before they did, is there anything to suggest from what happened that Chelsea wouldn't have gone on to win regardless? The first goal was a "should do better" rather than a mistake too - at least anybody that's not at a big club isn't getting criticised for it.
As soon as Chelsea go ahead and then are gifted the 2nd goal right after HT, their game plan changes. They no longer have to push forward and look for goals, instead they just have to control the game and they done that very well. At no point did Utd look like getting back into the game, neither did they look like scoring before Chelsea went ahead too. Everything Chelsea had to do, in terms of taking the game to Utd at 0-0 and defending throughout, they done very well.
We’ve played a lot of games in a short period, I suspect the 48hr difference played some part in it for sure. Starting with Fred and James and Bailly, who hasn’t had much game time, set alarm bells ringing for me from the very beginning. Then when we started, Fred was shockingly poor! Ridiculous!
It does show that we (obviously) need to keep investing in the squad because the backup players simply aren’t good enough.
They (****s) were all over us from the beginning and our errors are becoming all too frequent. No player should be undroppable, regardless of what they’ve done previously.
If resting players helps secure 4th place then I’ll take it (not that we’ll go far in the CL).
It does show that we (obviously) need to keep investing in the squad because the backup players simply aren’t good enough.
They (****s) were all over us from the beginning and our errors are becoming all too frequent. No player should be undroppable, regardless of what they’ve done previously.
If resting players helps secure 4th place then I’ll take it (not that we’ll go far in the CL).
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That was a shocking performance from United, Chelsea were much better than us and fully deserved the win. I'm worried at how fatigued United look, we've made fewer changes than most of the other big teams since football restarted and I think it's really starting to catch up. It would partly explain why there were so many errors from United players today. Obviously people will focus on De Gea's errors, and they were terrible, but United players were sloppy in and out of possession for the entire game. The other alarming thing is how significant the drop-off is when United need to look to the bench; there are very few players who are able to come on and help us get back in a game when we're losing.
I think Ole made tactical errors today, the 3-4-1-2 didn't suit us at all and really gave Chelsea a platform in the game. I understand Ole wanted to give a few players a rest but I'd rather he started with 4-3-3 with Rashford, Ighalo and James up front. That wouldn't have meant a drastic change in personnel but would have kept us playing the same system that worked well for us during our unbeaten run. In terms of personnel, I thought De Gea, Williams, Maguire and Matic were the worst of the bunch today. I feel a bit sorry for Williams because he's playing LB despite being right footed and is a young kid still, but the others have no excuse, they're all experienced players who should be doing better. I think if De Gea's mistakes continue United are going to have to seriously consider bringing Henderson back so that we can start giving him some opportunities with the first team.
On the plus side, at least this poor performance came in the FA Cup, which is probably the most inconsequential competition we were still in. United's performances against Saints and Crystal Palace were poor, so hopefully the defeat today will give United the shot in the arm that they need and we'll now go on and put in a more convincing display against West Ham.
I think Ole made tactical errors today, the 3-4-1-2 didn't suit us at all and really gave Chelsea a platform in the game. I understand Ole wanted to give a few players a rest but I'd rather he started with 4-3-3 with Rashford, Ighalo and James up front. That wouldn't have meant a drastic change in personnel but would have kept us playing the same system that worked well for us during our unbeaten run. In terms of personnel, I thought De Gea, Williams, Maguire and Matic were the worst of the bunch today. I feel a bit sorry for Williams because he's playing LB despite being right footed and is a young kid still, but the others have no excuse, they're all experienced players who should be doing better. I think if De Gea's mistakes continue United are going to have to seriously consider bringing Henderson back so that we can start giving him some opportunities with the first team.
On the plus side, at least this poor performance came in the FA Cup, which is probably the most inconsequential competition we were still in. United's performances against Saints and Crystal Palace were poor, so hopefully the defeat today will give United the shot in the arm that they need and we'll now go on and put in a more convincing display against West Ham.
Theres a reason i call him smeg...he cant move. I personally think hes rubbish and youd be better of with Smalling. For a fella whos slow he doesnt read the game well enough to compensate so ges constantly caught out.