Points isnt a factor? Ofcourse it is. City and Liverpool walked it last year aswell so why is this any different?
Greenlizard0 PL Football Thread Final Day ** spoilers ** [26th July 2020]
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The first paragraph is just nonsense by the way.
Every single one of Oles transfers have worked well? I assume you havent seen Maguire this season then. AWB gets a nose bleed and passed it backwards when he gets in the opposing half.
Bloody hell youve also compared Greenwood to Micheal Owen. Micheal Owen scored 18 premier league goals in his first season...18 in his next. Not League cup or against pub sides you batter 5 nil. Premier league. Greenwood is good but lol.
United fans are something else. Standards are low to say the least.
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Interesting little statistic - since getting thumped 9-0 by Leicester, Southampton have actually scored more points than Leicester during the remainder of the season.
Certainly an argument to be made that getting embarrassed on that scale gave them the kick up the arse they needed to start turning things around
Certainly an argument to be made that getting embarrassed on that scale gave them the kick up the arse they needed to start turning things around
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You could argue their short comings were our short comings at the start of the season. Pogba had basically been out all season before the lock down. Martial had been out for 3 months, Rashford out for three months, McTominay out as well for a period of time when he was key to our team. Also even if Leicester didn't bottle it we would have still finished 4th.
One thing that has become evident is that when fresh and no pressure our first eleven is fantastic. You don't win 4 games in a row with a 3 goal margin by winging it. The pressure is something the players will grow into as they start to achieve and win things. Squad depth is a massive issue and we need a few players this summer.
This is where City at least dominate. Their ability to rest players and still have top quality on the bench keep the team competitive and fresh.
Martial, Rashford and Greenwood are 24, 22 and 18 respectively. None have yet to reach their peak and all three of them have had months off with injury/lack of game time. Scored 60 goals between them who Solskjaer has massively improved on. That's a front three that we have in our pocket for the next decade if they keep it up.
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In the last 25 games of the season, Saints were 4th in the form table with 43 points. Only Liverpool, United and City took more points. Shows what can happen when you give the manager a chance.
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Lets be honest, if we had the squad fit that finished the season at the start of the season we would have probably got another 20 points or so. Lets also be honest, Ole still isn't a good enough manager and relies entirely on the quality of his players to shine and win games and doesn't seem to have the ability to influence games or coach a team at the top level. As soon as we change the team personnel a bit we look crap. Players like Fred and McTominay who were doing really well for a while when Pogba was out and Fernandes wasn't here suddenly looked crap again.
I fear that we are just going to rumble on for a few more seasons sitting around the top 4 until Ole has a bad season and the board get rid of him with another completely managerial appointment that makes no sense. I would love to be proved wrong but I think thats how it will go.
I fear that we are just going to rumble on for a few more seasons sitting around the top 4 until Ole has a bad season and the board get rid of him with another completely managerial appointment that makes no sense. I would love to be proved wrong but I think thats how it will go.
You realise Maguire has been one of the best defenders in the league this season right?
Utd just don't have the squad to challenge for the top spots at the moment. Martial, Greenwood, Fernandez, Shaw, Lindelof are the only (mostly) consistent top quality players at the moment. The team is significantly worse when any of them are missing.
Williams, Rashford, AWB, Maguire, McTominay, Fred, Pogba, Matic, Lingard are only top 6 players (although some of them are top class on their day, they're too inconsistent).
Williams, Rashford, AWB, Maguire, McTominay, Fred, Pogba, Matic, Lingard are only top 6 players (although some of them are top class on their day, they're too inconsistent).
I'm now assuming you'll throw stats at me. It doesnt matter what i say as you'll always back Maguire.
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How many fans/clubs would take VVD? Like every club in the world. How many fans/clubs would take Maquire? Burnley maybe.....
Comparisons with VVD are harsh as much as United fans would love to make it. He isnt in the same league.
Maguire is mid table at best. He literally changes the way United have to play because he cant turn around or pass.
Amazing how we only conceded 3 less goals than the champions considering our defense and keeper are so bad apparently.
If you sit further back you'd be in the stands.
Are you suggesting De Gea hasnt been poor this season?
He's not had a good season, but suggesting Maguire hasn't is just dumb.
Caporegime
Maguire needs to drop a couple of things from his game but he isn't a bad defender. Over half of the sides in the premier league would have him easily, just not for 80mil.
De Gea, on the other hand, looks like he needs the worlds best sports psychologist if he's ever to get back to his best.
De Gea, on the other hand, looks like he needs the worlds best sports psychologist if he's ever to get back to his best.
Every single side in the league would take him if price wasn't an issue, lets be real. City wanted him after all.
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I do believe if we had kept Chris Smalling we would have most likely ended up in a similar position although won things in a different way. Maguire is far better on the ball which is what we need going forward. What maguire needs is someone next to him in the vein of Vidic to get us to that next level. This is all nit picking though. We let in 3 more goals than Liverpool and 1 more goal than City this season and second behind Liverpool in terms of losses. We let in 20 more goals last season and scored fractionally more too. This was without Pogba for 30 games, Rashford and Martial out for 3 months a piece and Mason's breakthough season which leads me to believe that a lot of those draws would have become wins otherwise as at one point we were completely toothless going forward.
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Its bizarre. He just looks shot. Making really basic handling errors even on things that are the bread and butter of even the worst keepers in the league. He is still world class at times but utterly awful sometimes as well. There is no point saving that extra 5% of shots when you are letting in soft ones. Teams start to target keepers when they are having a poor time and that just makes it even worse. Fingers crossed he can sort it out by next season.