So your saying it was Rafa's fault not Hicks and Gillette who ruined the team he built? Ok....
If you read my 1st sentence again I said they were both overrated Poch, Conte & Koeman have all done better than Klopp since joining, Pep has had money to spend and still taken City backwards.
How many years have Liverpool been buying the next Zidane, Viera, Messi, Ronaldo etc. it's as far back as I can remember got to be over 20 years now so not sure how you can say we're building some sort of foundation, we've had 100s of next big things and done nothing with them.
No, I didn't say it was Rafa's fault at all. I was talking about that 2 year period or so where the club was torn apart, not by him to be clear. And what were you expecting from Klopp? He's come in and taken a side that finished 6th/7th and in his first full season, despite spending far less than his rivals, is competing for a top 4 spot. Surely that's progress? I'm not sure what Koeman's achieved but less than 2 years ago I was arguing with Spurs fans on here that were calling for Poch to be sacked! Even back then, it was clear to me that he was putting the building blocks in place for Spurs to improve - Spurs were never going to be a Chelsea/Abramovic where they could challenge overnight. Conte's done great but he took over squad capable of winning the title - the job he's done has been exaggerated by the fact that Chelsea underperformed so massively last season.
And just like the Rafa comment, you've again misunderstood the point I was making about building with a foundation in place. Since the last couple of years of Benitez's era the club had no foundation in place - Benitez would be doing one thing, the board another and the owners something else. There's been no clear plan on where the club is going and how we're going there. Benitez goes and they replace him with Hodgson - not only was he useless but also completely different to Benitez. That then gets ripped up and Dalglish/Comolli come in - 18 months later it gets torn up and we start again. Same story with Rodgers - the club was signing players and he was refusing to play them, then in his final summer he gets the players he wants and changes the entire coaching staff, then he and them are sacked a few months later.
Liverpool's single biggest problem over the last 7 or 8 years has been a lack of structure and a clear plan - we've been a club that's made too many short term decisions and when you make these decisions and they go wrong it costs a fortune and takes years to recover. For the first time since Benitez took over in 2004, everybody at the club appears to be pulling in the same direction and that's being led by Klopp.
As for Pep - City finished 4th last season, on goal difference! You can argue that they've not improved but they've not gone backwards. Taking over at City was always going to be harder than at Barca or Bayern because the level of competition here is so great but **** me, just because he doesn't turn things around overnight he's suddenly ****? He's spent money and City should be doing better but look at the changes he's making - he's completely changed the entire way of playing at the club. I know this is the internet and we've got to be hysterical but give him another season before you write him off.