Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [30th Mar - 2nd April 2012]

[FrankJH]

Your success this year will be your biggest downfall.

Ashley will cash in on Tiote, Krul, Ba etc in the summer

you reckon? With Pardew in charge, I don't think he would stand for that personally.
May have to sell one to generate transfer kitty, but I can't see AP standing for selling the core of the side and staying next season.

Have NUFC got much left from the Carroll cash? Obviousely they should get a healthy amount just from EPL finishing position too, so they may not even need to sell 1st choice players.

 

[BaZ87]

I can't recall one of those extra officials ever awarding anything.

 

[drunkenmaster]

Your success this year will be your biggest downfall.

Ashley will cash in on Tiote, Krul, Ba etc in the summer

Firstly, cashing in again suggests he will take the money and run, again I'll point out the hundreds of millions spent and not taken a single penny out of the club. The Carroll money was reinvested WISELY in players and their wages, at the right time and have gotten exceptionally good value out of it.

If Ashley does sell players it will be because the deal is very favourable, gets more cash than the player is worth, buys in an equally good player(or better) on a better deal, whole club profits from it.

Their biggest success this year has been hugely down to selling overvalued players, and buying in undervalued players. If he does that again, it means an even stronger team. They still lack strength in depth, though Perch and Williamson looked pretty damn good the majority of the game.

Doesn't look to me like Ba wants to move on instantly and Cisses won't move on after 6 months. The fact is, that if Newcastle get European football at this point I'm not sure why any of the players would want to leave.

The way Newcastle screwed up before was, getting into the CL spending money they didn't have and keeping players they could have made killing on. Cashing in is the BEST WAY to run a football club, not the worst, and its the opposite of what so many teams have done in the past decade when they hold on to players too long, lose money, invest money they don't have and end up in terrible trouble.

Their success this year, will breed more success if they continue to sell and buy as incredibly well as they have for now basically 3 years on the trot.

 

[Jimbeam3678]

Tiote and Krul are more committed than anyone else right now. Ba - Nothing a new contract won't solve.

Only one reason for those contracts a pay rise for the players and a bigger transfer fee the summer for cashley

 

[the wopster]

It's true though, if Liverpool had such players as Tiote, Ba etc performing they wouldn't need to sell them. I don't trust Ashley as far as I could throw him.

They didn't need to sell Torres but he wanted to go( when a bigger club comes in for you players they tend to go which is what happend with torres to chelsea)Jose wanted to go so did Carroll,yes barton and Nolan didn't want to go but you can't really say they have went on to bigger and better things can you

 

[nemtizz]

We won a trophy less than 2 months ago. When was your last trophy?

edit: and a genuine question to you or any other Newcastle fan. Would you take finishing a place or 2 above us in the league and winning nothing or winning 1 (possibly 2 cups) but a couple of places lower in the league?

I did ask myself that same question last month, and back then I'd have snapped your hands off for that trophy, but come to think of it: We're in good form, have made some fantastic signings and are only moving forward. One of our most promising seasons for a good few years.

I'd take the position/place we're in right now. Seeing as your team/manager/club as an whole, are an absolute shambles. (No offence/baiting meant, of course. Just voicing my opinion)

 

[nemtizz]

It's true though, if Liverpool had such players as Tiote, Ba etc performing they wouldn't need to sell them. I don't trust Ashley as far as I could throw him.

Why do we need to sell them?

 

[Bigpig]

Your success this year will be your biggest downfall.

Ashley will cash in on Tiote, Krul, Ba etc in the summer

At the end of the day they might be sold but it will be for silly money apart from Ba.

What club that is not run by a rich playboy can afford not to take 25m+ for players they bought for peanuts?

Even Manu and gunners sell when they get over the top offers and are not afraid to do it...

We where 3million off breaking even this year without taking transfers into account I believe.

Newcastle are looking very healthy for the future

 

[BaZ87]

I'd take the position/place we're in right now.

Isn't the whole point of having decent seasons, building squads etc all focused towards building for future success and actually winning something though?

As good a season as you've had and squad you've built, I honestly can't see how Newcastle can progress beyond where they are now in the near future. If that turns out to be the case then the best you can hope to achieve (in terms of trophies) is winning 1 of the 2 domestic cups.

 

[mmj_uk]

Swansea have equalised?

 

[Andr3w]

Good goal by swansea!

 

[Jimbeam3678]

Swansea have equalised?

 

[Andybtsn]

Why do we need to sell them?

Because players are driven by big clubs and mucho money.

You can keep thinking otherwise but if the Champions League comes calling their heads will turn.

 

[6thElement]

Isn't the whole point of having decent seasons, building squads etc all focused towards building for future success and actually winning something though?

As good a season as you've had and squad you've built, I honestly can't see how Newcastle can progress beyond where they are now in the near future. If that turns out to be the case then the best you can hope to achieve (in terms of trophies) is winning 1 of the 2 domestic cups.

Nothing wrong with winning a domestic trophy in terms of success.

 

[drunkenmaster]

Isn't the whole point of having decent seasons, building squads etc all focused towards building for future success and actually winning something though?

As good a season as you've had and squad you've built, I honestly can't see how Newcastle can progress beyond where they are now in the near future. If that turns out to be the case then the best you can hope to achieve (in terms of trophies) is winning 1 of the 2 domestic cups.

People get hung up on cups/winning titles, the vast majority of teams win nothing season on season and yet still exist. Good football comes first, league position is usually a relatively fair reflection of that.

Newcastle haven't won a cup this year, so what as the teams are currently playing and likely where they'll finish the season I'd say they have a better chance of getting champs league football or winning a cup than Liverpool next year, and you winning a cup this year doesn't change that.

As for Newcastle can't improve any further, why on earth not, they are making more money each year, improved the squad last transfer window, improved the squad last summer, improved it the transfer windows before that.

The team is still relatively newly put together, both experience together and an increasingly quality squad with more depth suggests there is no reason they can't do better next season.

You'd take a cup over no cup, you wouldn't take a cup and the team going backwards with a huge amount of spending and equally huge wages on those players over a big step forward with quality spending on quality players on fair wages.

We probably shouldn't mention its a cup no one else gives a **** about though

 

[One More Solo]

you reckon? With Pardew in charge, I don't think he would stand for that personally.
May have to sell one to generate transfer kitty, but I can't see AP standing for selling the core of the side and staying next season.

Have NUFC got much left from the Carroll cash? Obviousely they should get a healthy amount just from EPL finishing position too, so they may not even need to sell 1st choice players.

Agreed, they will only sell if they want to. Pardew is talking about Europe and that requires keeping this squad together, although I don't expect much if any additional investment.

 

[FrankJH]

seriously, what does the Carling Cup stand for these days ( if it ever did).

Fine , IF any EPL club manage to get to the final without using the 1st team, then fair enough & well played ( or 1st team for one of the much smaller clubs ) , otherwise its a complete waste of space.

The FACup is going the same way although there is still some romance left in this competition , and the final is played when it Should be, rather than end of Feb or very early March.

Not being relegated, or getting into Europe is FAR more important than a cc victory or even FAC double. After spending £100m or so American owners should never settle for single cup victory if it means being 8-10 in the league esp with likes of Norwich and or Swansea in similar positions

 

[BaZ87]

Nothing wrong with winning a domestic trophy in terms of success.

I know. The question I'm asking was whether you'd rather finish 6th but no trophy or 7th but with a trophy.

And @DM: Arsenal have played good football for years yet you've been whining like a ****

 

[drunkenmaster]

Because players are driven by big clubs and mucho money.

You can keep thinking otherwise but if the Champions League comes calling their heads will turn.

He said why do they NEED to sell them, not why might they. If Tiote wants to go to Chelsea for 25-30mil and 100k a week, more power too him, Newcastle get 30mil, a huge profit, and can then buy a replacement, AND a CB, and another attacking central midfielder, AND their wages and be a stronger team than before.

What some fans just don't seem to get, there is ALWAYS another brilliant player. Letting one stupid club overpay while underpaying another club is simply good business. Take 35mil for Carroll, buy Ba, Cisse, Santon.... yes you won't find someone as much better than Ba is over Carroll, but there are plenty of strikers who are very very good.

I'll point out again that Arsenal were at their best when they, cashed in on overvalued players and bought in bargains.

Utd had no problem selling Ronaldo, the only time clubs get in trouble is when they are the one's overpaying.... and can't actually afford it.

 

[drunkenmaster]

I know. The question I'm asking was whether you'd rather finish 6th but no trophy or 7th but with a trophy.

And @DM: Arsenal have played good football for years yet you've been whining like a ****

There in lies the fallacy, we haven't been playing good football, well not great football. We've been playing better than most of the league sure, but compared to Wenger's first 6-7 years the football in the past 6-7 years has been a joke in comparison.

Pundits just have no ability to think for themselves, it was established long ago that Arsenal played the best football, that is their moniker now, people say it even if Arsenal have a truly horrific game or a half decent game, we aren't a patch on the old Arsenal team at all.

EDIT:- Ekotto with another ridiculous and obvious red card tackle but getting away with it. Guy is such a liability, pathetic though, Swansea are normally terrible away so Spurs went 4-5-1, at home, which has sucked for months. 4-4-2 and telling Bale to play AND stay left and they'd likely have walked this game and gone level with Arsenal, still might win, but very "meh" performance.