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He's a Holy Paladin (probably the best healer in the game right now) for starters. That WoL means absolutely nothing when your other healers were probably -

A) In worse gear

B) And/or really awful

You will get complaints about my attitude from bad people who are leeching your raids, of course you will.

If you think my attitude was wrong somehow and you are infact going to join a GOOD guild, you won't like it one bit.

As I said though, have fun guys ;)

Um, that's a world ranking log. The entry at the top says Pumpty is world first in healing output. That means of the other 50k+ logs of 25 man raids which will all have 5 or 6 healers some of which will be paladins. :S:S maybe you should practise actually knowing wtf you're talking about before you do. It makes you look bad, especially when you are trying to call other people out.

I'll make it simpler for you, look on the world ranks for healing on Icecrown Citadel http://www.worldoflogs.com/rankings/players/Icecrown_Citadel/hps/#tab-25Normal. See if you spot a player called Pumpty. It's a shame we didn't keep you you're obviously really observant and good at listening, you'd have gone so far.
 
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So you are trying to make a point in that Holy Paladin takes skill? There are so many things that can factor into logs they don't really mean a huge deal.

I don't think there's a great deal of point to this discussion continuing, average players aside.

The attitude that you ran the guild with was really quite ridiculous, A LOT of people thought this not only myself. You caused a lot of people to waste money transferring and then left them out of various things.

Best of luck in your new guild though as I said, I can see you think that PvE is extremely hard and that you like to flaunt where you can about your wonderful accomplishments :)
 
Would you really expect him to admit to it if he had? It's probably been split between the officers who "earned" it ;)

Probably not no lol. I heard I had my name dragged through the mud by a friend on the server after I left. I left because the loot rules where none existant and the amount of underhand looting was a farce. I lost the arp trinket on my warrior to a paladin rolling for PVP lol. Wouldnt mind but this person was in the same guild as us as well. Flasks/food basically didn't exist to most of the other guys either but they still expected loot to be handed to them with 0 effort.

Whilst I enjoyed the community, whilst it lasted, the raids where seriously flawed and caused a daft amount of arguments
 
So you are trying to make a point in that Holy Paladin takes skill? There are so many things that can factor into logs they don't really mean a huge deal.

I don't think there's a great deal of point to this discussion continuing, average players aside.

The attitude that you ran the guild with was really quite ridiculous, A LOT of people thought this not only myself. You caused a lot of people to waste money transferring and then left them out of various things.

Best of luck in your new guild though as I said, I can see you think that PvE is extremely hard and that you like to flaunt where you can about your wonderful accomplishments :)

Your whole argument is fundamentally flawed because The Unit wasn't nor did it ever pretend to be a hardcore/semi-hardcore raiding guild. It was a social levelling guild whereby an interest of raiding was formed, and we created a social/casual raiding aspect off the back of that.

My 'attitude' was that of a social/casual raiding guild leader. As far as I was concerned people logged in to take a load off their stressful day, to unwind and relax and enjoy a bit of banter with people and raid when possible. WoW is at a most fundamental level a source of entertainment, and entertainment is not always derived from striving to be the best or working flat out into your leisure time to achieve an online goal. Which is where your entire philosophy fell apart and continues to fall apart with every stupid word that comes out of your keyboard.

Furthermore the assumptions you've made in your last post (Holy Paladins are easy, Manflu thinks holy paladins are easy, we think PvE is hard) is hilarious. You're actually deluded. You can't just pull arguments out of your ass and hand them into a logical debate. If you want to argue a point then base it on fact or at least some form of tangible evidence. Throwing assumptions based on your narrow-minded and thick view of reality doesn't bode well for constructing any kind of case you have against myself or the guild I led.

If you want to make a point, then make one. Make a guild and get it as far or further than I did. Don't just sit there bitching about someone who actually went ahead and did it. Make a Holy Paladin and get ranked first on healing, don't just sit there and bitch about how easy it probably is in your sort-of opinion probably.

You're probably one of the worst excuses for an elitist i've ever met. Most elitists are actually good at what they do and earn the title and then flaunt it. You weren't a good player, you're not currently a good player, you barely raid, you haven't even experienced half the crap you harp on about and you generally just seem to get some form of strange excitement from tracking down a GM who's guild you were in 2 months ago and giving him grief because you didn't like the fact his guild wasn't a hardcore raiding guild and you couldn't shout at his members and insult them. Heaven forbid that there are actually MMORPGers that play it for fun and not to be barked at. I don't mind, I like the competition element and that's why I am joining a hardcore raiding guild again, but The Unit wasn't ever that. Perhaps in future you'll read about a guild before joining them.

Perhaps that's why Justifiably Arrogant failed, because you can't justify arrogance without cause. And that's what you lack, you're a **** load of chat without anything behind it. I'm obviously going to defend what I created and what I managed, at the moment you're sat on a weekend arguing with some guy you met 2 months ago about a guild you supposedly don't care about regarding a GM who you think is an idiot that can't play World of Warcraft or lead a World of Warcraft guild. Have you actually stopped and thought about the idiocy that is yourself? Have you considered the fact that you've become so self-absorbed in your own stinking aura that you've reached a point in your life where you have to justify your own personal insecurities by vomiting them up on others online? I pity you, genuinely I do.

I'm sorry that you felt excluded from our community. I wish you had fit in. I wish that you could have treated others with respect and not belittled or demoralised people because of a format in the way they spend their free time. But you didn't, and regardless or not the fact it's obviously a sore subject for you doesn't detract from the fact that it's already happened, the past is gone and 'defacing' my name as a Guild Leader is going to achieve nothing. In case you haven't noticed, I'm not a GM any more.

Now please, take heed. I can write all day, I do it for a living. Dismiss or read my wall of text and jog on.
 
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Probably not no lol. I heard I had my name dragged through the mud by a friend on the server after I left. I left because the loot rules where none existant and the amount of underhand looting was a farce. I lost the arp trinket on my warrior to a paladin rolling for PVP lol. Wouldnt mind but this person was in the same guild as us as well. Flasks/food basically didn't exist to most of the other guys either but they still expected loot to be handed to them with 0 effort.

Whilst I enjoyed the community, whilst it lasted, the raids where seriously flawed and caused a daft amount of arguments

Unfortunately that is the way that the game is going.

You need a strong officer panel to be able to control and pick out leechers. I accept The Unit was not aiming to be (or was ever going to be) a top raiding guild, but it was also very obvious that the officer attitude was - "Ok, lets do ICC10, I'll invite my friends and screw everyone else".

I am certain that this is the case in a lot of guilds nowadays, you don't need specific raid setups like you once did and can blag a lot more bossfights, not to mention they are all pretty much free kills with a couple of exceptions on heroic, namely Lich King on 25 man, which was killed this evening by Paragon.

Also, I know that some people made complaints to the officers and it was basically laughed off, which is again, a HUGE mistake if you are trying to run a guild.

The thing that annoyed me the most was the fact that the officers took in a handful of players to raids, who were absolutely awful, I mean the kind of people who should still be leveling, learning how the game works etc.

Here's hoping they will gain an understanding of what they did wrong if they manage to join a "top raiding guild".

Although it sounds to me like there is a lot not being said by the officers in here and if he's stolen all the guildbank money assuming its rightfully his, that is just beyond stupid and I would ensure you let his new guild know about it :)
 
You're probably one of the worst excuses for an elitist i've ever met. Most elitists are actually good at what they do and earn the title and then flaunt it. You weren't a good player, you're not currently a good player, you barely raid, you haven't even experienced half the crap you harp on about and you generally just seem to get some form of strange excitement from tracking down a GM who's guild you were in 2 months ago and giving him grief because you didn't like the fact his guild wasn't a hardcore raiding guild and you couldn't shout at his members and insult them. Heaven forbid that there are actually MMORPGers that play it for fun and not to be barked at. I don't mind, I like the competition element and that's why I am joining a hardcore raiding guild again, but The Unit wasn't ever that. Perhaps in future you'll read about a guild before joining them.

I was expecting you to start with the cheap shots sooner or later :)

I really wish I had screenshots of yourself and the other officers whispering me asking how it was even possible for me to be doing the kind of DPS that I was on my Death Knight in the gear I was in.

Ultimately I dont care what you think about me, I hardly can expect you to admit at the very least im probably the best player you've seen (as you did on a couple of occasions).

You don't do arena, I know that you tried and probably gave up because it requires a great deal more quick thinking than PvE ever has, and that is where the skill lies in my opinion. Get yourself to Rank #1 on at least one bracket and then you can start trying to get all high and mighty.

As I said, I can hardly expect you to suddenly say "Yes I made loads of mistakes with my guild, and had to carry players who shouldn't even be level 80 through ICC because they are girls and offered me god knows what in return".

I certainly don't want to waste my time arguing with you and your boyfriend about your little guild experiment that failed either.

You obviously hate elitist standpoints, most top guilds have those kinds of attitudes, look down on nearly everyone else. You'll find that out, probably just after you get the boot :p
 
"Your whole argument is fundamentally flawed because The Unit wasn't nor did it ever pretend to be a hardcore/semi-hardcore raiding guild. It was a social levelling guild whereby an interest of raiding was formed, and we created a social/casual raiding aspect off the back of that."

Thats how it started Graham but you actively saught to expand the raiding team to 25 man after the first "half guild" icc 25 run so its not strictly true over the course of the guilds lifetime.

Theres bound to be a lot of hate thrown around due to it disbanding as people paid RL money to join the community to then have it disappear lol.
 
"Your whole argument is fundamentally flawed because The Unit wasn't nor did it ever pretend to be a hardcore/semi-hardcore raiding guild. It was a social levelling guild whereby an interest of raiding was formed, and we created a social/casual raiding aspect off the back of that."

Thats how it started Graham but you actively saught to expand the raiding team to 25 man after the first "half guild" icc 25 run so its not strictly true over the course of the guilds lifetime.

Theres bound to be a lot of hate thrown around due to it disbanding as people paid RL money to join the community to then have it disappear lol.

Yeah, I paid money too. That's generally what you do when you transfer servers. If you want money security open a bank account and don't spend it. I'm not responsible for what you or anyone else decides to do with their money. Many of us got a lot out of it, you didn't because you didn't get your armour pen trinket and it'd mean the DK who did get it was sure to do more DPS than you. If I had the world's smallest violin I'd play it for you. **** happens, our loot rules changed and adapted and we all got on with it. You wasted money. Patience would have got you the trinket next week, but it was much easier for you to spend another £35 odd on faction changing then realm changing. :confused:
 
Yeah, I paid money too. That's generally what you do when you transfer servers. If you want money security open a bank account and don't spend it. I'm not responsible for what you or anyone else decides to do with their money. Many of us got a lot out of it, you didn't because you didn't get your armour pen trinket and it'd mean the DK who did get it was sure to do more DPS than you. If I had the world's smallest violin I'd play it for you. **** happens, our loot rules changed and adapted and we all got on with it. You wasted money. Patience would have got you the trinket next week, but it was much easier for you to spend another £35 odd on faction changing then realm changing. :confused:

You might want to drop the hostility the next time you speak to me as I amazingly didn't use the same "tone" with you lol.

I didn't mind spending the money at all, others did though and didn't get much out of the experience due to YOUR doing. I've quit the game so I'm really not ***** what you do from now on in anyway but when you try use incorrect information to win an argument you will get "OcUK'd" :P

IF you took the gbank money for yourself, you deserve all the abuse your getting to be fair. Should be distributed between the members evenly, even if it ends up 50g each or something daft.

And yeah I didn't get the trinket, no probs though as I still had 3 other icc geared chars to play and raid on when I wanted to and not once did I change loot rules or get other people to roll to win and pass loot over, unlike you did...
 
You might want to drop the hostility the next time you speak to me as I amazingly didn't use the same "tone" with you lol.

Why might I want to do that? I don't really have time for people like you, you moaned and moaned at me non stop and I listened, put in place the changes you asked for and you threw your toys out and quit before the next raid even took place. You're a quitter. My tone reflects my general feeling towards you.

I didn't mind spending the money at all, others did though and didn't get much out of the experience due to YOUR doing.

What a stupid statement. Do you want to call up Mr T and have a go at him while you're at it for re-activating your sub? Jesus.

I've quit the game so I'm really not ***** what you do from now on in anyway but when you try use incorrect information to win an argument you will get "OcUK'd" :P

No, no I won't. Don't get all tangled up in your post count now.

IF you took the gbank money for yourself, you deserve all the abuse your getting to be fair. Should be distributed between the members evenly, even if it ends up 50g each or something daft.

Half of the money was mine, I was the only person to ever donate, and I donated all of my wallet. The rest was from raid BoEs. None of it belongs to anyone individually or specifically, thus it can't be 'stolen'. Members are always welcome to contact me to get their share. I'm obviously not just going to leave it in the guild bank while I type /gdisband. Not that it's any of your business, you quit on the guild and all it's members you so valiantly protect long ago.

not once did I change loot rules or get other people to roll to win and pass loot over, unlike you did...

Yes I've changed loot rules from raid to raid, what exactly is your point? And getting other people to roll on items so that guild members can get them over pugs is pretty common. You make it sound like I'm stealing the loot, you realise I had master looter? If I wanted to steal the loot I'd just... steal it. I'm not like that, nor do I condone that though.
 
Why might I want to do that? I don't really have time for people like you, you moaned and moaned at me non stop and I listened, put in place the changes you asked for and you threw your toys out and quit before the next raid even took place. You're a quitter. My tone reflects my general feeling towards you.



What a stupid statement. Do you want to call up Mr T and have a go at him while you're at it for re-activating your sub? Jesus.



No, no I won't. Don't get all tangled up in your post count now.



Half of the money was mine, I was the only person to ever donate, and I donated all of my wallet. The rest was from raid BoEs. None of it belongs to anyone individually or specifically, thus it can't be 'stolen'. Members are always welcome to contact me to get their share. I'm obviously not just going to leave it in the guild bank while I type /gdisband. Not that it's any of your business, you quit on the guild and all it's members you so valiantly protect long ago.



Yes I've changed loot rules from raid to raid, what exactly is your point? And getting other people to roll on items so that guild members can get them over pugs is pretty common. You make it sound like I'm stealing the loot, you realise I had master looter? If I wanted to steal the loot I'd just... steal it. I'm not like that, nor do I condone that though.

The only guild members to get loot from your "changing loot rules" was yourself and how can you call me a quiter when you disbanded the guild lol. Kettle calling pot black or what?

Adding to that, what the hell has Mr T and my post count got to do with anything lol? I know for a fact your not 12 years old Graham so please don't infer that you are with utterly retarded replies.

If your offering the members a share of the gbank pot of gold, thats fine by me and its the right thing to do and amazingly I still speak to people from the guild outside of the game just like you do on skype to all your RL mates, who happened to be officers.
 
The only guild members to get loot from your "changing loot rules" was yourself

Can you please specificy what you're actually talking about before I OcUK you (RoFL)

and how can you call me a quiter when you disbanded the guild lol. Kettle calling pot black or what?

I'm stepping up my game. Although on the plus side I don't have to deal with this kind of crap anymore, so you may have me there.

Adding to that, what the hell has Mr T and my post count got to do with anything lol? I know for a fact your not 12 years old Graham so please don't infer that you are with utterly retarded replies.

Just because you don't understand something that doesn't make the third party retarded. You inferred that by me suggesting people play with us that it's somehow my fault that they are spending money doing it, so I likened it to the TV adverts where Mr T is advertising World of Warcraft. It's just a pretty stupid thing to suggest, and obviously has no relevance to people's individual ability to make their own decisions regarding what they do or where they go in their life. It's a wonderful thing, freedom.

If your offering the members a share of the gbank pot of gold, thats fine by me and its the right thing to do and amazingly I still speak to people from the guild outside of the game just like you do on skype to all your RL mates, who happened to be officers.

I speak to more than just my RL mates on Skype, I speak to most of the guild that want to be social on there. I still speak to a lot of them. 'Who happened to be officers'. Rofl? You know I started this guild with them, right? The reason I play WoW is because of my RL friends.
 
Can you please specificy what you're actually talking about before I OcUK you (RoFL)



I'm stepping up my game. Although on the plus side I don't have to deal with this kind of crap anymore, so you may have me there.



Just because you don't understand something that doesn't make the third party retarded. You inferred that by me suggesting people play with us that it's somehow my fault that they are spending money doing it, so I likened it to the TV adverts where Mr T is advertising World of Warcraft. It's just a pretty stupid thing to suggest, and obviously has no relevance to people's individual ability to make their own decisions regarding what they do or where they go in their life. It's a wonderful thing, freedom.



I speak to more than just my RL mates on Skype, I speak to most of the guild that want to be social on there. I still speak to a lot of them. 'Who happened to be officers'. Rofl? You know I started this guild with them, right? The reason I play WoW is because of my RL friends.

Prime example getting another paladin to roll on the shield from first boss in icc 25 then saying "mains before alts" and having him hand it over to you lol.

Plus instead of disbanding why didnt you just ask a member if they wanted to shoulder the burden and carry on as the casual guild it "supposedly" was, oh wait common sense is required for that isn't it.

My initial posts was highly tongue in cheek as I genuinely didn't mean any offence, just clearing up facts but your purile posting manner is just facecious at best now. I'm going to report the thread for closure anyway as I'm sure other people are gonna get bored of reading your **** as well "mate"
 
Prime example getting another paladin to roll on the shield from first boss in icc 25 then saying "mains before alts" and having him hand it over to you lol.

Matt gave me the shield because he wanted to, I asked for nothing. Perhaps you shouldn't talk if all you're going to talk is ****.

Plus instead of disbanding why didnt you just ask a member if they wanted to shoulder the burden and carry on as the casual guild it "supposedly" was, oh wait common sense is required for that isn't it.

I already planned that, sorry to poo on your little common sense party there. There wasn't a viable candidate. You can ask your Skype inside friends. One of the officers did offer, but given the amount of people that were leaving I thought it best to let the name die and if something should be re-born then let it run its own course.

My initial posts was highly tongue in cheek as I genuinely didn't mean any offence, just clearing up facts but your purile posting manner is just facecious at best now. I'm going to report the thread for closure anyway as I'm sure other people are gonna get bored of reading your **** as well "mate"

I'm glad I got to you. You and Robbo now both feel perhaps a tenth of how wound up people I was getting with the scrubs we carried.

I would be eternally grateful if you could get this thread locked and buried, thank you.
 
I'm glad I got to you. You and Robbo now both feel perhaps a tenth of how wound up people I was getting with the scrubs we carried.

Having carried a huge amount of players through SSC/TK/BT/Sunwell (all pre nerf) as an officer when raids actually took a bit of effort to put together I know exactly how you feel.

I got that very same horrible feeling when I joined The Unit, always a shame when you end up having to carry officers though, heh.
 
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